Kronos is a flop!

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:09 pm

Soooo many things wrong with gp's arguments but come on, guys, he's just a troll. There will be no convincing him, we all know why we do have a Kronos and my professional music business is not altered in any way by him not liking it. He's just here to try to annoy people and laugh when they respond. Save yourself the effort.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:35 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Soooo many things wrong with gp's arguments but come on, guys, he's just a troll. There will be no convincing him, we all know why we do have a Kronos and my professional music business is not altered in any way by him not liking it. He's just here to try to annoy people and laugh when they respond. Save yourself the effort.

we are having fun. When a " Preset machine god" shows up here, it can be a source of ( very) cheap entertainment

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:41 pm

In that case, as you were!

jorgemncardoso · Post by **jorgemncardoso** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:49 pm

Honestly... doesn't these guys have anything better to do than come to forums and bash on keyboards and manufacturers because they don't build the perfect machines for them to play there lame music on...?

Godparticle, wake the fu**k up and get over yourself. You know there are more music genres in the world than your precious (crap IMHO) electronic music (dance, trance, techno, and whatever...).
Excuse "grandpa" here, but what the hell does f'kin word "PHAT" even means????

Welcome to the fact that you are not alone on this planet, and that your musical tastes are not the pinnacle of creation, there are other million musicians with other musical tastes and interested in other musical genres. Please, do conceive that there are people that use a workstation in a different way than you, that have different tastes than you. I respect all tastes and music genres, but i'm mainly a rocker. So i honestly don't give a crap about your "phat" sounds.
I'm interested in those million of pianos, ep's, organs, pads, strings and brasses. I don't care about synth basses, dance leads, or dance music drum kits or lops. Those are usually the presets i delete when i buy a new synth to replace with my stuff.
I also like those "spacy" pads like you say, i have the wavestation because of them.
So if you don't like the Kronos go and buy the Motif and be happy with it. I have one, i like it and play it. But i have no need to go to a forum of a keyboard that i don't like and bash it. Grow the f**k up!!

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:56 pm

jorgemncardoso wrote: Excuse "grandpa" here, but what the hell does f'kin word "PHAT" even means????

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:00 pm

Godparticle - you clearly don't like Korg and have no intention of buying one of their god awful (excuse the pun) Kronos workstations. So why are you hanging around our forums? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Oh and the award for the most use of the word "phat" in one single post goes to Godparticle. That's 11 times in one post. Very impressive.

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:02 pm

phattbuzz wrote:
jorgemncardoso wrote: what the hell does the word "PHAT" even mean ?????

Don't be sad.

Now he knows

jorgemncardoso · Post by **jorgemncardoso** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:09 pm

phattbuzz wrote:
jorgemncardoso wrote: Excuse "grandpa" here, but what the hell does f'kin word "PHAT" even means????

LOL, i was just messi'n with the Troll

, of course i know. But don't get me wrong tho, no disrespect to dance or electronic music intended, just not my cup of tea...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:10 pm

For what it's worth, I think Polysix is pretty phat. I do a lot of live EDM too.

Stratario · Post by **Stratario** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:30 pm

I like to buy a Yamaha Motif XF for its "PHAT" sounds. But what am I going to do for oriental samples and sounds? I could not find any Oriental sounds on eBay to buy for Motif. Currently I have the following 2 GB worth of samples loaded in a Kronos 61 with roughly 500MB of memory space left:

Roughly 1 GB of Armenian and Oriental package from Grigor Nersisyan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSbJSUhJudI

Roughly 150 MB of Araic set - RMT set from Raje Sabag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAKRvRaL2qU

Korg EXs95 Kelfar Oriental set - Roughly 500MB:
https://www.korg.com/kronosSoundLibraries

A 50 MB Armenian set from Avo.

A 150 MB Greek set - Greco Set

About 50MB of Persian sounds.

I think after this roughly 2 GB worth of samples and with about the 500 MB of space left in the memory, I should be able to load another 2 GB of samples and run them of the SSD disk.

Would I be able to do that with a Motif XF?

My point is made. Thanks you.

Amoo Farrokh
Canada

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:41 pm

SynthGod show him your massive Oberheim and analog synth collection for the Kronos. god particle is no god for sure as he doesn't know what's available for the Kronos. Uber is awesome.

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:57 pm

godparticle wrote:
NuSkoolTone, what are you on man?

Earth dude. You should try it sometime.

QuiRobinez wrote:*SNIP*

But for EDM music, why would you buy a workstation? It's a much better choice to buy the synths that are used in that style, like VSTs as Massive, Predator, etc.. EDM hardware synths range from the cheap Novation basslines till the expensive moog voyager series. These are all synths that are dedicated to creating fat bassline and dirty leadsounds out of the box.

That doesn't mean that workstations like the Kronos or Motif can't do it. Of course they can do those type of sounds, but you need to program them yourself and have some basic till advanced understanding of sounddesign and how hardware and VST effects are used to get the EDM sound that you hear in the scene.

So do yourself a favor and check out synths like:
- NI Massive
- RP Predator
- Virus TI
- Moog Voyager
- Novation Bass station II
- Nord Lead 4

Those are loaded with presets that you will recognise so you get that instant sound you are familiar with

Don't forget the Novation MiniNova! Dopeness in a box yo!

jorgemncardoso · Post by **jorgemncardoso** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:24 pm

godparticle wrote:EDM is the biggest genre in the world, all the many different forms it manifests in, and it makes the biggest money, it's all over TV, it's all over the clubs, it's all over the charts, it's right across the world, and the biggest names in the bizz are making it, including hardcore Hip-Hop heads, so start talking facts matey.

I missed this post lol, oh well... That explains his attitude a bit...

Ohh i see.... It's about money... Well than please don't mind my post then, as i play because i love music, i play for passion NOT money.

If making money and being a millionaire with music is your goal, than by all means do make the fast food music everybody does this days, that everybody listens to... There is a lot of money in that, for shure.
Soul....?? Humm... Naaaah!!

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:07 pm

IM(fairly educated)O sampled synth sounds are usually terrible. Not saying you can't sample a synth well, but it becomes a sample, not a synth. Each note is kind of static. You can't make it expressive, you can't make it dynamic. You can't reach really out and touch the controls.
It's totally unnecessary when you have 5 and a bit synth engines at your disposal. And they definitely can sound 'phat' (whatever you define that as).

EDM is about unique and innovative sound design in order to make music that makes you dance. What good are presets for that? You've got to craft your own patch that drives your song. The best EDM comes from when the composer and the instrument(s) interact in an ireplicable way.

Also, I also make (prog) rock - fairly demanding on keys, as well as soundtrack, ambient, chillout, etc. And I'd say the Kronos has all the bases pretty well covered there.