ADDICTIVE Gear Shopping vs Making music

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Post by jeremykeys »

Truth be told, I'm only all too familiar with G.A.S. Right now I have 11 keyboards. 10 guitars and one five string electric bass. Now that I have an iPad, I'm also collecting soft synths.
In a week I'm going on vacation. I'm only going to bring the iPad and a couple of guitars plus my iRig Pro. I might bring a microphone too, now that I think about it. And a stand and cable. Oh oh. See? This is where it all starts. Do I have enough? Yes! Of course I do!
Do I want more? Oh yes! Of course I do!
Will I get more?
Well now, that all depends on what "she who must be obeyed" says.
If I'm a good boy, maybe! :wink:
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Post by lonelagranger »

Might be an age thing ( I am 61). I no longer feel I need additional gear, or a stack of boards. It's not a question of budget, either.
I am 67 and just as crazy as the first poster. I think it is a matter of society as a whole. Whether it be keyboards, cameras, cars; whatever tickles your fancy, we have become a nation of consumers. The mighty corporations have created this monster and we have been good little students. I do believe that we, as musicians, have been particularly enamored with the plethora of choices available to us to make music. All the buttons, sliders, displays, wiggling sticks, touchscreens. Who would want to sit down at a piano with 88 keys and only one sound. People like Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Debussy etc. have all managed to create some pretty nice music with it. I have come to the realization that at this point in life I do what makes me happy. if that is buying a new keyboard and I can afford it, I do it. I do try to maintain a level of playing to justify the purchase of such goodies. I will play about 2 hours a day of classical music, and then play with the toys. Sometimes I may not feel like playing a particular day, so I take a break. Big deal. I do, however, enjoy all the instruments I have, and they are many. My sister and brother-in-law have gone on vacation to Vegas for the last 15 years and have probably spent over $70,000.00 just for their entertainment. At least I can look at my entertainment and use it again and again, whenever I want.

Don't be to hard on yourself. Unless, of course, you are choosing new gear over baby food. That's a whole different problem. Enjoy your music. Be thankful that you have the ability to be creative and the ambition to do something with that creativity. As life goes on music will become a very close companion and a wonderful friend. You are very lucky to have the ability to recognize a beautiful melody when you hear it and the skills to use when you get inspired. Some people have absolutely no connection with music and how beautiful it is, and how much it can enrich their lives.

We are lucky people to have been blessed with the ability to find "sound", interesting, inspiring and a challenge to our intelligence.

End of lesson.

Good luck to all on your music making.
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In 1993 i somehow got stuck ONLY with a Casio CZ-101 and i had a whatever
they called it a double tape Cassettofon or whatever. I used to make songs
recording on one head then playing that head plus the CZ again inside and
i dont even know how i was doing it but i was recording even 6 tracks sometimes
and i made songs. Now i have over 40 000$ of high end gear. You know how
many songs??? 0 All i do is just check out presets and make sounds
that i ''will'' use to make music.
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Post by PCFREE »

lonelagranger wrote:
Might be an age thing ( I am 61). I no longer feel I need additional gear, or a stack of boards. It's not a question of budget, either.
I am 67 and just as crazy as the first poster. I think it is a matter of society as a whole. Whether it be keyboards, cameras, cars; whatever tickles your fancy, we have become a nation of consumers. The mighty corporations have created this monster and we have been good little students. I do believe that we, as musicians, have been particularly enamored with the plethora of choices available to us to make music. All the buttons, sliders, displays, wiggling sticks, touchscreens. Who would want to sit down at a piano with 88 keys and only one sound. People like Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Debussy etc. have all managed to create some pretty nice music with it. I have come to the realization that at this point in life I do what makes me happy. if that is buying a new keyboard and I can afford it, I do it. I do try to maintain a level of playing to justify the purchase of such goodies. I will play about 2 hours a day of classical music, and then play with the toys. Sometimes I may not feel like playing a particular day, so I take a break. Big deal. I do, however, enjoy all the instruments I have, and they are many. My sister and brother-in-law have gone on vacation to Vegas for the last 15 years and have probably spent over $70,000.00 just for their entertainment. At least I can look at my entertainment and use it again and again, whenever I want.

Don't be to hard on yourself. Unless, of course, you are choosing new gear over baby food. That's a whole different problem. Enjoy your music. Be thankful that you have the ability to be creative and the ambition to do something with that creativity. As life goes on music will become a very close companion and a wonderful friend. You are very lucky to have the ability to recognize a beautiful melody when you hear it and the skills to use when you get inspired. Some people have absolutely no connection with music and how beautiful it is, and how much it can enrich their lives.

We are lucky people to have been blessed with the ability to find "sound", interesting, inspiring and a challenge to our intelligence.

End of lesson.

Good luck to all on your music making.
Some very wise words here!!!
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Post by PCFREE »

BasariStudios wrote:In 1993 i somehow got stuck ONLY with a Casio CZ-101 and i had a whatever
they called it a double tape Cassettofon or whatever. I used to make songs
recording on one head then playing that head plus the CZ again inside and
i dont even know how i was doing it but i was recording even 6 tracks sometimes
and i made songs. Now i have over 40 000$ of high end gear. You know how
many songs??? 0 All i do is just check out presets and make sounds
that i ''will'' use to make music.
Lol!!
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Post by PCFREE »

I have to say these posts have been very helpful and thought provoking.
I've certainly been guilty of "GAS" - and it has stagnated my workflow.
Sometimes less is more and more encourages nothing. I've now decided on a workflow that's effective for me. Sometimes I'll use one piece of hardware exclusively just to make life simple - if I feel I can get the best from said equipment for a particular project. Other times I'll use a combination of gear for variety or more authenticity.

Bottom line...... "GAS" can cause musical constipation if you don't get those creative juices flowing! ;-)
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Post by vadesriux »

To lonelagrangre,

Hello sir,

Besides not liking to be called crazy, I think you've completely missed my point. I agree with you when you say that someone who feels touched by sounds or music is a very lucky person. After all we live in a world where beauty and sensitivity is not often found. Instead violence, frugality and indifference.

But when you say there's no problem if you spend $70.000 in gear....
Okay: Vangelis must have spent thousands and thousands of dollars in instruments. But in his case, just look at the amount of (quality) songs he has created over the years. Just look at the creativity that emerged from those instruments, when in fact it emerged from inside of him. From his soul.

There's no point on arguing with each other, that's very true. So I will not do that. We should respect each other opinions. I stated a problem, a real problem that I, and many more have of being 'hipnotized' by machines and videos and gear sites on the internet, and not making music at all. Not creating anything new. And this is indeed a real problem. Not in the sense that 'you have a problem if you don't make music', but instead 'you do have a problem if you become addicted to the internet and to buying stuff'.

And see... I'm 'only' 46 years of age...

And please: don't call me crazy.
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Post by phil55 »

I find myself in a similar boat. I'm 58.

I've been collecting synths since 1979 and many have been sold off and some bought back again.

I was crowding up the keyboards and stacking them like a modular and slowly but surely, I was taking up a small room and blocking the windows.

One day, I said, heck with that, and took out all the keyboards I barely use, put them in a storage room, still on key stands with all the associated wires and midi boxes together, so that if I set them up, all the bits and pieces are ready and accounted for.

I took out a Korg PROPHECY, MS2000R, M3 w/ Radias module, Roland JP8000, MC505 Groovebox with new screen and a MC50 sequencer. Since I was using a Korg D888 as sub mixer in MIDI control with the Korg D3200, that came out too and I left the D3200. I also have a Yamaha CS40M, a Roland SH10000 and an ARP Explorer in storage from a previous clear out.

If I need something in particular, like those great brass sounds from the Prophecy or a sequence I made on the MC505, I'll set it up just for that session and put it back into storage after.

I'm now restricting myself to a Moog VOYAGER, a MacBETH M5, a Korg KRONOS (which I wasn't doing much with considering the aforementioned keyboards were stacked on a stand on top, hence obscuring the screen and some buttons as well as having limited acess to the back inputs etc). I also have a Yamaha QX7, QY10, An Arturia Beatstep (highly recommended) and an Alesis SR 10 drum machine, a couple of Monotrons and a Future Retro ORB as well as a MOOG VX-351 CV Expander, to help keep the analogue system all together with a bit of MIDI thrown in. Little other devices like a KAOSS Pad 2 and a Roland VT3 help with production. All this is amplified by a McIntosh tube amp (bought in 1973) with LEAK (bought by Dad in 1964, refurbished 2011), CROWN electrostats (1972) and a couple of BOSE (2009) speakers for good measure.

I have more space to think and create and I'll try and do something with that 73 KRONOS too, and see if i can figure it out.
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Post by laandodeman »

I recognize GAS, but somehow, with the Kronos, that came to an end :D

But even more important: set yourself a goal, a musical project with a deadline. And go for it. Then you won't have time left anymore to go shopping.

That's the best remedy.
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Post by lonelagranger »

And please: don't call me crazy.
I sincerely and humbly apologize if I have offended you. It was not my intention. I meant the statement to be a humorous one. One in which I was saying that I was the crazy one. It is a comment we use here some times called self deprecating humor. I am so sorry if you think I was insulting you. It would be the last thing I would want to do. I didn't see that your post was not from the US. My fault I should have look where you were located and might not understand that particular way of saying things.

I have read what you posted and I see this GAS situation is presenting you with a serious problem. I also have spent much time on the internet researching musical instruments and have often purchased one when I really should have not. At times to a point when I had to be very carefully about my finances for that month to be sure to cover my other obligations. The lure to get the latest and the great is certainly out there and pushed in our face.

If you are asking for a complete solution to your problem then I am afraid it can only come from you. We are all accountable for our actions. We make good ones and bad ones. We receive the rewards or the guilt of which choice we make.

I wish I had a magic answer for you, as I can see now how seriously you feel about this. I hope you find the right solution for you, and I am truly sorry about upsetting you. I am not a mean person. I will ask God to forgive me and make me a better person.

So sorry for any hurt I may have caused you.
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Post by GregC »

laandodeman wrote:I recognize GAS, but somehow, with the Kronos, that came to an end :D

But even more important: set yourself a goal, a musical project with a deadline. And go for it. Then you won't have time left anymore to go shopping.

That's the best remedy.
I agree 100%

Since I am completely satisfied, there is no need to shop further.

It is a great place to be :)
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Post by vadesriux »

Hi, lonelagranger

Of course I accept your apologies. Be in peace.

I am indeed trying to share a very real problem that I have and apparently many of us have. And this problem is very simple: Internet addiction, and also buying addiction. Resuming: it is an addiction plain and simple.

And as every addiction, it leads you to do things that deviates you completely from the real important things in life: family, rest, music, creativity, tranquility. Because I do feel myself fulfilled and in peace while playing.

I am starting a music project, on Youtube, and I think it will be the best way to start playing again, regain focus on music, creativity and tranquility.
But it is important to keep an eye on myself so the 'buying frenzy' doesn't strike again. As Jesus Christ said: "Watch and pray". I do think He was saying 'watch yourself and pray'.

In the end everything is inside of us: serenity-uneasiness; creativity-obsession.

Like you (very well) said: It's up to us which way we choose.
I have been chosing the obsessive and anxious way.
I am now willing to follow the peaceful and simpler way.

Thank you everyone who has posted to this topic.
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Post by lonelagranger »

Thank you for accepting my apology. I do understand what you are saying and how we can make some unwise purchases online because we get excited about the item we are looking at and feel we must have it. And it is only a mouse click away. Not the same as going into a store and handing over cash. I agree with you that it is an addition.

I wish you the very best in making your music and overcoming the compulsion to keep buying new gear. I think all of us on this forum can understand that. I know my sister looks at all my keyboards and she doesn't understand it. She does think I am crazy. I try to tell her they all do different things. But, unless your a musician, you probably won't understand. So I watch them go to Vegas every year and they each spend about $7000.00 for their entertainment. They feel that activity is normal and fun. So I buy my keyboards and enjoy them all very much. Plus I have them to keep. Some times they win. Most of the times they don't. So who is really crazy here. Us or them.

Pease to you, and God bless you.

My sincerest best wishes.
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Post by Bald Eagle »

lonelagranger wrote:I know my sister looks at all my keyboards and she doesn't understand it. She does think I am crazy. I try to tell her they all do different things. But, unless your a musician, you probably won't understand. So I watch them go to Vegas every year and they each spend about $7000.00 for their entertainment. They feel that activity is normal and fun. So I buy my keyboards and enjoy them all very much. Plus I have them to keep. Some times they win. Most of the times they don't. So who is really crazy here. Us or them.
Interesting thought. Vegas vacations, fine dining, expensive wines ... to each their own. Whether you use your synths to make spectacular music or just tinkering to make noise as long as it's enjoyable to you is all that matters in the end.
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Post by SanderXpander »

My dad used to ask me "so how many organs do you have now?"
And when I told him (seven or so different keyboards at the time I guess, including a Rhodes Mk1, a Karma, Alpha-Juno 2, and, in fact, a Hammond XB1) "and they really all do something different? Can't you just get one really good one?"
He played, too. Different generation :)
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