Electribe2 - Clicky?

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:05 pm

roblabs wrote:you can still get clicks even with the amp/eg off!

The AMP/EG button doesn't actually turn it "off" though, it simply just bypasses the envelope settings resulting in the same audio "click" as if the amp attack time were set to 0%. My Juno-60 has the same feature and you still get audio clicks with both it and even all the oscs disabled each time you press a key. Amp generators can create noise entirely themselves, much like turning on a guitar amp with nothing plugged into it.

Like I said before, try disabling the velocity settings, then creating a "pad" sound that has a slower amp attack time. If it still "clicks" each time you release and then repress a key, then you can totally rule out user error and confirm that it is indeed an audio glitch.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:52 pm

Sorry, I must have overlooked your suggestion about velocity. Yes, this was tested with and without velocity. I tried various settings and like I said, it seems to occur with poly mode more than anything. If you listen to the audio file in the link I provided, the very same settings (with attack set at 42) will not produce this click/glitch on mono, but once you set it to poly its there. That's why I think this is some type of software/firmware issue.

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:19 pm

I can't check the sound sample since I'm on a work computer (IT guys blocked out audio streaming sites

), but I'll give it a listen when I get home. In theory, it should also happen in Mono mode since it's the same amp settings being retriggered, so it certainly sounds like something is screwed up with how the sound engine is processing the poly modes.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:46 pm

roblabs wrote: ...it seems to occur with poly mode more than anything. If you listen to the audio file in the link I provided, the very same settings (with attack set at 42) will not produce this click/glitch on mono, but once you set it to poly its there. That's why I think this is some type of software/firmware issue.

Oh Poly...

No wonder why I never hear the click on my test.

I never use Poly modes, especially on these korg analog devices. I remember when I tried out poly on the Volca keys...nooooop. The clicking and glitching...no thank you. Tried on E2, same thing. Thankfully for what I do monophonic works just fine for me.

Sorry Roblabs, I have no answers for you there. I tried poly and found more annoyance than actual use in my style.

Have you tried just playing only chords in poly mode and not single notes?
Have you tried the Chord button (which only works in poly)?

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:00 pm

SMK,

It doesn't matter if you're playing chords or single notes, if you're in Poly and the release is pretty much over 50, you will get a click when you retrigger. And it has more to do with retriggering while the tail is still playing than the attack value.

I'm really surprised no one has noticed this or complained about it prior to this. I think you will miss it if you have other elements playing - so its masked. But as soon as you solo a pad sound or take out a few parts, you will hear it. Honestly I think this is even more of an issue than the gap between patterns, because it ruins the pro sound. This is something that Korg really needs to fix, because the electribe is being touted as a live performance tool. And this is straight up embarrassing if you're trying to play live.

Whatever update is rumored to happen later this month really needs to include a fix or improvement for this.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:03 am

I agree that the big update should sort out the problems rather than introducing something new. 4 bars is something I knew when I bought it, but the clicking, gaps, and other niggles and bugs are not wanted (specially in an instrument sold as live tool). It needs to be reliable before anything else. A release rush with a buggy firmware is a bad start. Mine is going back if there are no fixes/updates around NAMM. I'll get a Monomachine or Analog 4 instead.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:57 pm

Nice example of the clicking here (not my vid, I don't think its bad wiring tbh). Doesn't seem to bound to attack or decay. At the moment this is one of the biggest let downs. Specially when working with headphones the clicking is painfully obvious and appears rather fast.

SadPaper · Post by **SadPaper** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:37 pm

dutchcow wrote:Nice example of the clicking here (not my vid, I don't think its bad wiring tbh). Doesn't seem to bound to attack or decay. At the moment this is one of the biggest let downs. Specially when working with headphones the clicking is painfully obvious and appears rather fast.

Yup, that's the problem I'm seeing with clicks on Part trigger (around the 13-14 minute mark in that video). This is my biggest problem with the new Electribe at the moment.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:51 pm

SadPaper,

Clicking occurs most with Poly2 and with long decay/releases. If you're not using chords, switch to mono mode. Or, try shortening the decay/release if you must stay in poly. Try messing with the Modulation, too.

Its very annoying, and I hope Korg fixes this re-triggering click issue. But for now try that...

Poumtschak · Post by **Poumtschak** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:53 pm

roblabs wrote:Clicking occurs most with Poly2 and with long decay/releases.

Which means it has to do with enveloppe retriggering, low polyphony (well... paraphony) per part harming sustaining notes or legato playing, and global voice allocation perhaps?

Maybe the e2 is so underpowered per part that it cannot sustain a note - or even worse, a chord - and play another one without reseting the volume EG, hence the volume going from sustain level to a spike.

It sure does feel like this with the PCM multisamples (M1 Piano comes to mind).