Good choice, BTW.Craig Walker wrote:
She's currently looking at the Nord Stage 2...
Good sound, great hardware, nice keybed, and good electronics assembled by human hands.
RH3 Keybed Information
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Craig Walker
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1. When and where you had the repair performed
February 2013 in Sweden. EM Nordic did the repair.
2. Which model (73 or 88 )
Kronos 88.
3. Any information you were told about the specific repair made
My K88 had the well known note muting problem caused by "hammer" bounce on soft key depression. This made certain musical phrases impossible to play pianissimo without a few notes cutting off early.
EM Nordic did the standard replacement of the rubber key contacts.
4. The results -- did the fix work?
Yes, after three days of testing, I was unable to provoke note muting.
However, the repair has caused two new faults. First I found that the note-on velocity response was rather uneven from key to key. Looking at velocity data on a MIDI monitor showed that when playing a mf chromatic scale most keys gave values around $40 but some gave consistent values around $58-$60. This makes playing e.g. piano music impossible if good dynamic control is required.
The second fault is even worse. Middle C (C3) retriggers on key release if the key has been pressed hard to activate aftertouch during the sustain phase.
Today I've sent my K88 back to EM Nordic for another repair.
February 2013 in Sweden. EM Nordic did the repair.
2. Which model (73 or 88 )
Kronos 88.
3. Any information you were told about the specific repair made
My K88 had the well known note muting problem caused by "hammer" bounce on soft key depression. This made certain musical phrases impossible to play pianissimo without a few notes cutting off early.
EM Nordic did the standard replacement of the rubber key contacts.
4. The results -- did the fix work?
Yes, after three days of testing, I was unable to provoke note muting.
However, the repair has caused two new faults. First I found that the note-on velocity response was rather uneven from key to key. Looking at velocity data on a MIDI monitor showed that when playing a mf chromatic scale most keys gave values around $40 but some gave consistent values around $58-$60. This makes playing e.g. piano music impossible if good dynamic control is required.
The second fault is even worse. Middle C (C3) retriggers on key release if the key has been pressed hard to activate aftertouch during the sustain phase.
Today I've sent my K88 back to EM Nordic for another repair.
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Craig Walker
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- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:41 pm
- Location: Long Beach, Ms
UPDATE HERE:::MarPabl wrote:This is the correct rubber contact strip for Kronos:
http://www.guitar-parts.com/catalog/kor ... ip-12-note
Mar I just bought those exact pads and....they are PINK!!!! Not grey like the pads for most other boards...
I sent an urgent email back to Parts is Parts, to get them to double check with Korg that these are REALLY the correct ones, and not the ones issued by Korg Spare Parts division at the same time as the original Kronos release, and in effect are "old" stock.....
Thanks Bob - I guess the only other question is how old the Parts Is Parts stock is...I did start a new thread re this, as I felt it important to clarify and not get bogged down here...
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=79469
Dennis
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=79469
Dennis
Gosh...Another one. Sorry mate.FlowerP wrote:
4. The results -- did the fix work?
Yes, after three days of testing, I was unable to provoke note muting.
However, the repair has caused two new faults. First I found that the note-on velocity response was rather uneven from key to key. Looking at velocity data on a MIDI monitor showed that when playing a mf chromatic scale most keys gave values around $40 but some gave consistent values around $58-$60. This makes playing e.g. piano music impossible if good dynamic control is required.
The second fault is even worse. Middle C (C3) retriggers on key release if the key has been pressed hard to activate aftertouch during the sustain phase.
Today I've sent my K88 back to EM Nordic for another repair.
I mean it, I´ve been there myself, on the very same situation.
I would rather not tell you this but, welcome to the club. There are still many users sufering from this issues, and experiencing even worst results after the Korg provided fix.
And... Sorry again to say it... be prapared for another possible batch of similar issues after the second fix as well. (Even after the third, just check this forum).
My honest advice would be, claim for a x version exchange and cross your fingers once more to get an "issues free" unit, or just claim for a full refund instead.
Hi everyone!
Haven't written anything on the forum for a long time. Been busy making music.
Anyway, my Kronos was one of the first to appear, serial number in the 2XX. I had the keybed problem and after getting it fixed, I was happy as a clam.
But now after reading the forum and finding out, that everyone can't get up to high velocities, like 127, after the keybed fix. Well, I can confirm that I'm unable to get high velocities with the velocity curve 4 or 9. I reall have to pound my keyboard really strong to get anywhere near the 127 (actually, velocity curve 9 is a tad easier, but not much). The loudest sample is almost unachievable with normal playing.
So I played a while with velocity curve 7 and discovered that there really is a layer of samples, that can only be heard when played with the "zero-dynamics"-velocity curves. Damn! I would like to be able to play then with normal playing in velocity curve 9 as well!
I'm a quite strong fingered piano player, but I don't want to damage my keyboard by pounding it either. I tried another Kronos 88 at the shop, and it displayed similar problems. My Fatar controller at work is much easier to play and has good dynamics. You can play normally, with velocities around 30 (pp) to 127 (ff).
So... I'm bying a Roland Integra 7 now, and was wondering, can I control the thing with my Kronos normally, or will I experience the same problems (not getting the full range of samples by normal playing technique). If so, is this normal for a Korg Kronos, or should I get it fixed yet another time?
Any thought would be appreciated!
Haven't written anything on the forum for a long time. Been busy making music.
Anyway, my Kronos was one of the first to appear, serial number in the 2XX. I had the keybed problem and after getting it fixed, I was happy as a clam.
But now after reading the forum and finding out, that everyone can't get up to high velocities, like 127, after the keybed fix. Well, I can confirm that I'm unable to get high velocities with the velocity curve 4 or 9. I reall have to pound my keyboard really strong to get anywhere near the 127 (actually, velocity curve 9 is a tad easier, but not much). The loudest sample is almost unachievable with normal playing.
So I played a while with velocity curve 7 and discovered that there really is a layer of samples, that can only be heard when played with the "zero-dynamics"-velocity curves. Damn! I would like to be able to play then with normal playing in velocity curve 9 as well!
I'm a quite strong fingered piano player, but I don't want to damage my keyboard by pounding it either. I tried another Kronos 88 at the shop, and it displayed similar problems. My Fatar controller at work is much easier to play and has good dynamics. You can play normally, with velocities around 30 (pp) to 127 (ff).
So... I'm bying a Roland Integra 7 now, and was wondering, can I control the thing with my Kronos normally, or will I experience the same problems (not getting the full range of samples by normal playing technique). If so, is this normal for a Korg Kronos, or should I get it fixed yet another time?
Any thought would be appreciated!
No probably not.Kim wrote:Hi everyone!
Haven't written anything on the forum for a long time. Been busy making music.
Anyway, my Kronos was one of the first to appear, serial number in the 2XX. I had the keybed problem and after getting it fixed, I was happy as a clam.
But now after reading the forum and finding out, that everyone can't get up to high velocities, like 127, after the keybed fix. Well, I can confirm that I'm unable to get high velocities with the velocity curve 4 or 9. I reall have to pound my keyboard really strong to get anywhere near the 127 (actually, velocity curve 9 is a tad easier, but not much). The loudest sample is almost unachievable with normal playing.
So I played a while with velocity curve 7 and discovered that there really is a layer of samples, that can only be heard when played with the "zero-dynamics"-velocity curves. Damn! I would like to be able to play then with normal playing in velocity curve 9 as well!
I'm a quite strong fingered piano player, but I don't want to damage my keyboard by pounding it either. I tried another Kronos 88 at the shop, and it displayed similar problems. My Fatar controller at work is much easier to play and has good dynamics. You can play normally, with velocities around 30 (pp) to 127 (ff).
So... I'm bying a Roland Integra 7 now, and was wondering, can I control the thing with my Kronos normally, or will I experience the same problems (not getting the full range of samples by normal playing technique). If so, is this normal for a Korg Kronos, or should I get it fixed yet another time?
Any thought would be appreciated!
From the tests I have done the velocity sent out by midi is exactly the same as what is used internally.
Thought I better post back - been using the K now for a couple of days after the big upgrade (by me, not Korg)
I have noticed an improvement in the cut-off, and no double triggering.
Now that the double triggering has stopped (so far) I am noticing the note cut-off could in part be caused by the "touch" an individual player has.
One thing I noted re the Kronos keypads is the are notably higher in profile, than previous Korg pads I have used, consequently they are more susceptible to a light touch causing the contact to cut off, or stop as it is supposed to when the engine receives a "note-off". To perhaps simplify this, it means the pad "surround" needs to compress further before the contact is made, but conversely does not need much release before a note-off gets sent. If that makes sense.
This is more marked on the more sensitive touch settings 3,2 and 1 and on the 9 which is especially created for the acoustic pianos.
I have found setting 3 the best for me, and I am having none of the cut-off issues I was having before, and as I said, no double triggering (again so far
)
D
PS: I will see if I have any leftover "standard Korg touchpads" and take a pic of both in profile - might explain it better.
I have noticed an improvement in the cut-off, and no double triggering.
Now that the double triggering has stopped (so far) I am noticing the note cut-off could in part be caused by the "touch" an individual player has.
One thing I noted re the Kronos keypads is the are notably higher in profile, than previous Korg pads I have used, consequently they are more susceptible to a light touch causing the contact to cut off, or stop as it is supposed to when the engine receives a "note-off". To perhaps simplify this, it means the pad "surround" needs to compress further before the contact is made, but conversely does not need much release before a note-off gets sent. If that makes sense.
This is more marked on the more sensitive touch settings 3,2 and 1 and on the 9 which is especially created for the acoustic pianos.
I have found setting 3 the best for me, and I am having none of the cut-off issues I was having before, and as I said, no double triggering (again so far
)D
PS: I will see if I have any leftover "standard Korg touchpads" and take a pic of both in profile - might explain it better.
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Interesting post.miden wrote:Thought I better post back - been using the K now for a couple of days after the big upgrade (by me, not Korg)
I have noticed an improvement in the cut-off, and no double triggering.
Now that the double triggering has stopped (so far) I am noticing the note cut-off could in part be caused by the "touch" an individual player has.
One thing I noted re the Kronos keypads is the are notably higher in profile, than previous Korg pads I have used, consequently they are more susceptible to a light touch causing the contact to cut off, or stop as it is supposed to when the engine receives a "note-off". To perhaps simplify this, it means the pad "surround" needs to compress further before the contact is made, but conversely does not need much release before a note-off gets sent. If that makes sense.
This is more marked on the more sensitive touch settings 3,2 and 1 and on the 9 which is especially created for the acoustic pianos.
I have found setting 3 the best for me, and I am having none of the cut-off issues I was having before, and as I said, no double triggering (again so far
D
PS: I will see if I have any leftover "standard Korg touchpads" and take a pic of both in profile - might explain it better.
What I have noticed is that the velocity setting are very slanted.
I was sure I must have the cutoff (double strike problem) because i was getting a range say on setting 4 which basically went, 1 , 25-110 for velocity, so 2-24ish velocity was missing
So I wrote a small app to check for this. What this proved to me was that I did not have a double strike problem as the same key was not re-triggering. Just that none of the velocity settings where giving a full range, I took this to be a software problem rather than a hardware issue, but of course I could well be wrong.