Official statement on the status and future of the OASYS

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:45 am

The thing that angers me is that we dont even have all the MOSS Boards physical models. The older Tritons etc have this. The M3 has an exp Radias, not sure if this is the replacement for MOSS in this new generation of M keyboards?

A lot of us were really looking forward for these models to be delivered to us. I'm not sure how many of the 13 they gave us...5, 6?

Billy

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:54 am

The Radias doesn't include any physical modeling, unless you count the Comb filter which can be put to that use. The Oasys lacks all the models of the MOSS, but the ones it includes are far deeper than the MOSS equivalents. I am with you though, I would certainly have liked to see more of them. Who wouldn't ?

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:20 pm

Daz wrote:The Oasys lacks all the models of the MOSS, but the ones it includes are far deeper than the MOSS equivalents.

Woops, that should have read "The Oasys lacks SOME of the models of MOSS".

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:07 am

I´m working right know into a track, and I can tell you what it is a real loss in terms of usability and workflow of the keyboard as writing tool, is the lack of the Advanced viewing of Sysex Ex. control and Advanced Sysex Editing.

Following its path last years, all new Korg keyborads from now on will have these new editing Sequencer features and tools, so it is a real miss not to have them on the OASYS . It will be always behind in this area.

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:14 pm

Yet the M50 doesn't have these tools...

regards,

Jerry

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:28 pm

So does it mean that future Korg workstations wont have the editing capabilities in sequencer mode the M3 has? Only the M3 will have them?

If so, congratulations to the M3 users for having this features, so much demanded. It puts this instrument ahead in the music production area.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:16 pm

Hi David.
For what it's worth the M3 sequencer update is not in anyway going to help you do something you can't already do on your OASYS. All the core basic functions are still missing just like they are on every other KORG keyboard.

Regards.
Sharp.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:55 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi David.
For what it's worth the M3 sequencer update is not in anyway going to help you do something you can't already do on your OASYS. All the core basic functions are still missing just like they are on every other KORG keyboard.

C'mon.

A core basic function is something like recording data onto separate tracks on separate MIDI channels. It would be more accurate to say that "bells & whistles" are missing.

You can make a complete song on a Korg sequencer. Many people do. You can do overdubs, editing, looping, punch-in/out, etc. So I would say that the "core basic functions" are implemented. Are there "niceties" missing? Yes. Various editing features that would make life easier? Yes. But the above statement is just being argumentative.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:22 pm

Hi Stephen.

Sorry I didn't going into the details of what I was referring to exactly because I've being banging on about all this for many years. Long before the OASYS even existed.

It really is the simple and the basic functions that are missing.

For example, you record a Pattern in C and you want to duplicate it for a F and a G chord. There's no Shift Note option in Pattern Mode so what do you do ?. You have to export the pattern from the pattern mode into the main pages of the Sequencer just so you can access the Shift Note option there. You shift your notes and then you have to go and try move the data back over to the patteren mode. This borders on just plain silly.

Or what if you wanted to delete a specific CC number from all tracks. There's actually no “All Tracks” tick box for this option, yet it's there for every other option. You have to manually wade through all 16 tracks one by one.

It's things like that I'm referring to and I believe you will agree that they are “Basic” functions.

Cheers.
James.

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:26 am

David;

Of course that is not what I meant. You were projecting a "only us OASYS owners are not given all the new advances from Korg" lament, and I simply showed that not to be true.

Look - it pains me to no end to not deliver every single thing to make our users happy. But you are relentless in your efforts to point out these things. You have never been posting/talking about Sys. Ex. control in the sequencer, and then the day after I post an article on some tips and tricks using Sys. Ex. in the M3 you are suddenly working on a piece of music that is being crippled by not having advanced Sys. Ex. control? I find that more than a coincidence...

But... you have every right to talk amongst the group and express yourself... it's just striking me as a bit obvious how you are trying to fan a flame here.

Anyway - it's a free internet, and an open forum, I'll just let this one go.

Sorry for taking the bait.

regards,

Jerry

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:43 am

Sharp wrote:Hi Stephen.

Sorry I didn't going into the details of what I was referring to exactly because I've being banging on about all this for many years. Long before the OASYS even existed.

It really is the simple and the basic functions that are missing.

For example, you record a Pattern in C and you want to duplicate it for a F and a G chord. There's no Shift Note option in Pattern Mode so what do you do ?. You have to export the pattern from the pattern mode into the main pages of the Sequencer just so you can access the Shift Note option there. You shift your notes and then you have to go and try move the data back over to the patteren mode. This borders on just plain silly.

Or what if you wanted to delete a specific CC number from all tracks. There's actually no “All Tracks” tick box for this option, yet it's there for every other option. You have to manually wade through all 16 tracks one by one.

It's things like that I'm referring to and I believe you will agree that they are “Basic” functions.

Cheers.
James.

I agree on this point..

Something I have grown to use a lot on the Akai MPC4000,in that you can actually transpose a pattern (or sequence in Akai Speak!)so easily without having to edit the data to fit the chord you want it to play

All you do is transpose the Track by the amount you wish using a +/- box,you simply transpose it within the Track on the screen and you can alter it in realtime as the seq plays.or you can simply make a copy of the pattern and then alter the key of that new pattern,so you don't have to be transposing or note shifting each note or bouncing between edit pages to change the notes to another chord,very useful.and also a quick way to try out different chord changes in realtime whilst the pattern plays.

So if you made a C chord pattern(seq),and wanted another pattern in F,all you would do is copy the original C pattern to another seq location and then go to the cloned pattern and simply using the transpose box shift the pattern tracks up +5,no fiddling about with shifting or editing notes.takes seconds to do and your not tied to that transposition either so if you wanted it back in C simply change the Transposition box back to 0

When you use hardware sequencers like the Akai MPC and Roland MV or Yamaha QY series,you realise how much of the more basic tools are missing in the Oasys and these are the types of functions that make sequencing more intuitive and less like painting the inside of your House through the Letterbox.

Until Korg look at machines like those mentioned,they'll never convince me to use a workstation as a main songwriting tool.I've used the Trinity and Tritons for years,occasionally the Oasys,but they do lack pretty basic sequencer tricks,that render them nothing more than a sketchpad.

I even find the HDR editing on the Oasys a pain in the arse when you see how much more simpler Korg made it on the D16XD??yet to figure out why they didn't follow by example of there own XD machines,seeing as the Oasys has a screen 5 times the size!

Still I'm glad the Oasys seq hasn't altered since the days of the Trinity,otherwise I wouldn't have discovered Gems like the MPC4000 or MV8800 for sequencing,even if there were updates to the Oasys sequencer I doubt very much it would cover all the same ground as those sequencers,for a start the Hardware Midi outputs cause a stumbling block for my studio,hence why I opted for the MPC4000

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:16 am

Jerry.

It is not my desire to be here to argue with you or any other memeber, and I wont.

But let me clarify here that this is not the first time, as you point out,
that I talk and bring to table, request or mention, the new advanced sysex editing the M3 has. You and any other member can use the search engine on the forums and you will see it. My posts are there.
It is a long wish some users have from avery long time, myself included.

As far as the coincidence you say about the tips you posted, I havent seen any post here in this regard, sorry. If you can point out where is it, Im interested in reading it.

Anyway, its true that Im recurrent in expressing my own oppinion in this regard, but it is my view of all this as an OASYS user, an oppinion some others have too, BTW.

Anyway, as you say, its a free forum.
Sorry If you see it as a flame.

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:42 pm

That last patch update from Korg really had some nice guitars .I mean man, they where really smoking

.To bad we won't be getting any more of
that stuff. What I'm saying is, the programmers at korg really know what there doing. I mean for the first time I felt the guitars where equal or better than yamaha motif and tyros , thats really saying something because they
have excellent guitars. I know Korg Never said the Oasys was future proof but I was looking for more (EXIs) than the hand full we did get being that we are at the mercy of korg in regards to EXIs engines ,specially if we are to use the Oasys as a studio with out use of DAWs like I would like to do.

I would also buy any updates but it's to bad thats not going to happened
I mean My God it's full of stars..........

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:24 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi David.
For what it's worth the M3 sequencer update is not in anyway going to help you do something you can't already do on your OASYS. All the core basic functions are still missing just like they are on every other KORG keyboard.

Regards.
Sharp.

Hey Sharp.

True. There are basic functions missing to this date and age, yet to adress.

When you see some tools included in the Akai MPC Series, Roland MV or even Yamaha QY, as an example, and how easily you are able to edit the track data you recorded, or the easy way you can change and transponse the chord or key of a tune, I have to agree with you on these points as well.

Futhermore, as Kontrol49 points out rightly, with hardware sequencers like the Akai MPC and others I mentoned above, you can realise how much of the more basic tools fpr sequencing are missing in the OASYS, functions that make sequencing more intuitive and helps a lot the workflow and creativity.

As many of you, I've used the Trinity and Tritons for years, and its is fair to say they do lacked some basic sequencer fuctions, at least in the oppinon of most uf us.

Again, nothing mentioned above is new.
After all this time asking for this things to be implemented, I presumed it was going to be a different story for the OASYS at last, an upgradable system. Even more when the M3 eXpanded arrived.
But thats not going to happen for the OASYS. Granted.

It might be granted as well, IMO, that OASYS users can express themselves about it all, and point out these lacks in the sequencer area, both compared to the M3 and the other synths and harware sequencers out there in the market.

And honestly, I really dont know *why* to point this things out may be taken as an offense, flame, or whatever by anyone, sorry.

Regards,
David.

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:27 pm

Rocness wrote: I would also buy any updates but it's to bad thats not going to happened
I mean My God it's full of stars.......... Idea

Nice One, Rocness!

Indeed, is full of stars.