The New Electribes

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:01 pm

I've known gear in the past to only be able to take so many firmware updates before they had to stop. 1 product that springs to mind was Denons dns1200 media players, they had a few bugs & over a period of time Denon gradually ironed them out with new firmware. After about 4 or 5 updates they announced that was it because the unit would not be able to recieve any more data due to memory restrictions.
I don't go into the technical side that deep so this is not something i fully understand but basically that's what i was getting at, Just what can we expect ? If the new tribe is a finished product, not intended to do anything else then they only really need to accomodate bug fixes & tweaks. Stuff like the 8 bars idea, i don't believe we would ever see that unless it was factored in as a possibility at the time of production. Just saying really, these unit's i believe are what they are for the most part.

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:36 pm

I didn't like the new names of these Electribes, but at least on the box it says "Electribe2" (AND only "Electribe"). Korg should make up their minds here

Anyways, great that they already have posted a firmware update!

Buska · Post by **Buska** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:12 pm

DrHoo wrote:I've known gear in the past to only be able to take so many firmware updates before they had to stop. 1 product that springs to mind was Denons dns1200 media players, they had a few bugs & over a period of time Denon gradually ironed them out with new firmware. After about 4 or 5 updates they announced that was it because the unit would not be able to recieve any more data due to memory restrictions.
I don't go into the technical side that deep so this is not something i fully understand but basically that's what i was getting at, Just what can we expect ? If the new tribe is a finished product, not intended to do anything else then they only really need to accomodate bug fixes & tweaks. Stuff like the 8 bars idea, i don't believe we would ever see that unless it was factored in as a possibility at the time of production. Just saying really, these unit's i believe are what they are for the most part.

Nah dude I rewrote the firmware on hardware eftpos printers sooo many times at my old job. I also flashed the firmware on my sony psp at least 25-30 times over the years, also my Nintendo wii and the DVD drive on my old xbox360. As long as the flash is performed properly you can do it many many times.

Buska · Post by **Buska** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:17 pm

Can't wait for all the Japanese first day videos to hit youtube

Buska · Post by **Buska** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:19 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDRbVfiZ2g

And they have already started!

hoolak · Post by **hoolak** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:28 pm

Arrrrr beat to it!

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:47 pm

Buska wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDRbVfiZ2g

And they have already started!

Some of those PCM hits/synth effects sound really good! I almost never used the PCM on the EMX, the new electribe seems to have a ton of usable stuff. Nice, wow, can't wait!

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:09 pm

Buska wrote:
DrHoo wrote:I've known gear in the past to only be able to take so many firmware updates before they had to stop. 1 product that springs to mind was Denons dns1200 media players, they had a few bugs & over a period of time Denon gradually ironed them out with new firmware. After about 4 or 5 updates they announced that was it because the unit would not be able to recieve any more data due to memory restrictions.
I don't go into the technical side that deep so this is not something i fully understand but basically that's what i was getting at, Just what can we expect ? If the new tribe is a finished product, not intended to do anything else then they only really need to accomodate bug fixes & tweaks. Stuff like the 8 bars idea, i don't believe we would ever see that unless it was factored in as a possibility at the time of production. Just saying really, these unit's i believe are what they are for the most part.
Nah dude I rewrote the firmware on hardware eftpos printers sooo many times at my old job. I also flashed the firmware on my sony psp at least 25-30 times over the years, also my Nintendo wii and the DVD drive on my old xbox360. As long as the flash is performed properly you can do it many many times.

Cool, that makes sense to me anyway. Denon must've been avoiding saying they couldn't fix it, haha. Cheers man.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:14 pm

I hate that metronome now as much as i ever did, handy i know but i never worked with it.

robosardine · Post by **robosardine** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:28 pm

Ha Ha! I was thinking exactly the same thing
SQUEAK! Squeak! squeak! squeak!
I hope it has a volume control.
Very nice unpacking technique I thought as well

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:32 pm

It probably has but i'll just reach for the 'off' feature. BLIP blop blop blop !!!!

Olivander12 · Post by **Olivander12** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:59 pm

I think that a "full synth" is way to expensive and that this "preset solution" is totally fine. There will be plenty of of ways to manipulate your sounds so I think the possibilites in sound design will be great. Unless you want to have synth patches with a lot of modulation, which in mosts parts can be overcome with motion sequencing, the synth engine will be sufficent. I am more afraid of the drums to be whack, just like the EMX' were.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:21 pm

I feel the same way regarding the drums. I used an emx for some time & when i got the esx i didn't use the blue one again. On the emx though there was bugger all editing to drum sounds really whereas it looks like there is with the new one. Also we can allocate any part to any pad so that means we can make drums & percs from raw waves too (Hopefully) & still have enough spare pads left over for bass, instrument, pads etc.. That's my theory at least anyway.
It's a wierd thing but i'm somehow ready to get into this new synth even knowing it will have some shortcomings & limitatons. I can get past that i think & just go with it...

...(Possible famous last words !)

Olivander12 · Post by **Olivander12** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:59 pm

DrHoo wrote:I feel the same way regarding the drums. I used an emx for some time & when i got the esx i didn't use the blue one again. On the emx though there was bugger all editing to drum sounds really whereas it looks like there is with the new one. Also we can allocate any part to any pad so that means we can make drums & percs from raw waves too (Hopefully) & still have enough spare pads left over for bass, instrument, pads etc.. That's my theory at least anyway.
It's a wierd thing but i'm somehow ready to get into this new synth even knowing it will have some shortcomings & limitatons. I can get past that i think & just go with it...

...(Possible famous last words !)

Yes, maybe it is even possible to have, for example, a "snare synth" so you can program drum rolls with descending pitch or bass drums which can be pitched. i know that it can be done with motion sequencing but it is more comfortable to simply program drums with different pitches. Of course, those drums are techincally a synth part, because I doubt that the drum part will feature notes.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:06 pm

I believe we can select a drum & switch to scale mode to select the drum tuned how we like, play it up & down the scale. That goes some way toward editing but yeah, hopefully we can get inventive with raw waves. Some of the sounds like brass stabs don't interest me either but if they're editable they could serve well, just depends on what we can do with them. If there's envelope editing of those kinds of sounds & pitch & filtering then they could be useful. I just prefer not to be tied into stock sounds.