Pa4X developers fatal mistake !

[rikkisbears]

LOL! I'm no husband, but from what I hear they're hardly considered a hurdle these days! Just go and pick it up...

You 2 guys are going to get me into big trouble. Haha

Yeah but the upside is you would have a PA4x

Yeh,
and a DIVORCE after 40 years of wedded bliss. Haha

[Sam CA]

...

Yeh,
and a DIVORCE after 40 years of wedded bliss. Haha

Or you can get some ideas from the movie "Fatal Attraction"? This thread was about "Fatal mistakes" after all.

[AntonySharmman]

Take your time ... the first page is my main interest !

[Sam CA]

Take your time ... the first page is my main interest !

You did say what the fatal mistakes were, but you didn't say what is going to happen now that the latest update didn't do what you expected.

[AntonySharmman]

Sam hope dies last ...
This is not only my actual problem , I own both and maybe I'm able to compile in Pa4X OS 1.2 what I want or just use my Pa3X
My main concern here is my commercial resources that are using all those missed features and users that will lose those benefits !
That's all , if necessary we will compromise and life will go on , just wondering why ...

[Sam CA]

...just wondering why ...

If they ever drop something like importing Styles with markers, that would be a "fatal" stab for me right there! So I understand....

[AntonySharmman]

You know Sam , also just wondering for those that claim that they do not use those arranger features
and just asking advanced Musicians ...
- All of You are using a kind of chord recognition , let's say Fingered Mode 3 , so don't you want to change
it in advanced mode when you use a full Grand Piano (not splitted ) for jazz improvisation ? or it's only me
and my mates that have this need ?
Or if you do so , don't you like the 15 years feature of paSeries to be an STS (keyboard Set) property and
when change to full piano keyboard set (sound) , to be ready to play without pressing 3 buttons to enter
Global mode while performing in real time ?
- Styles Left hand velocity function to Fill 1-4 was an extraordinary way for an expert one man real time
performer to automate the certain fill function in a style according to STS/Keyboard SET that was playing
in order to minimize button clicks while he has to play harmony changes of a song and only this way he
can catch up variation changes where not feasible by Auto Fill and smoothly manage the rhythm changes.
Now this velo to Fill option does not exist even at Global mode !

Are those real time facilities odd for you or you never had thought about using them which is another thing ?
They were there for so many years in PaSeries for demanding and advanced real time performers !
Nothing is more important in an arranger than the real time automation facilities that will make the difference
for a performer and choose a keyboard brand , contrary to a home/studio user that doesn't run out of time
while playing and gets impressed with fancy menus !

Now maybe someone can realize how a brand developer can downgrade the performance of an advanced
Musician that has bought this arranger without the slightest notice that those features are discontinued ...

[Sam CA]

Totally agree with you. To be honest I'm totally clueless as how Korg decides to keep or drop certain features. It'd be interesting to see if there will be any major updates for the Pa4x...

[rikkisbears]

Hi Guys
Finally downloaded a manual. And looked at the keyboard.
Just realised the sts's situation may affect me.
Ok.
I'm only a home player.
I don't use the songbook function.
I basically have the style I use for a song noted on my sheet music.

I set a style up to suit a particular song. Even swap around variations so that I can just play thru from vari 1 thru to 4. Sometimes I may duplicate a variation so that I can have a different melody sound on each. So basically they'reuser styles.

Each variation has it 's own melody sound.
I always play with the sts button flashing so that the sounds change automatically with each variation.

Can the pa4x function that way?

Bit awkward trying to figure it out from the manual.

[Bachus]

Totally agree with you. To be honest I'm totally clueless as how Korg decides to keep or drop certain features. It'd be interesting to see if there will be any major updates for the Pa4x...

The way these arrangers have been developping, i think not being fully backward compatible will keep many people from upgrading....

Anyway, i cant see no reason why they removed all those featurs, unless they need the resources for something different, which would indicate Korg didnt find any new processing in the past 4 years of developing...

I am with the orriginal poster, scratching features is never smart, even if only a handfull of people uses them... Just look at Roland where it got them.. they kept throwing out features in all their instruments and adding new ones..and where are they now? Totally out of the high end keyboard market...

[AntonySharmman]

Just look at Roland where it got them.. they kept throwing out features in all their instruments and adding new ones..and where are they now?

KorgPa kept all features up to Pa3XLe ... but now added only one real DNC feature (except usual upgrade Ram size/factory library)
and dropped most than 10 KorgPa traditional Style features for no reason ( and beleive it , I'm very aware of programming ) ,
instead of providing velocity expression to style tracks , activate OSC Amp AMS to sliders , improve and create more regions for
legato sound engineering , improve and add customizing parameters in "Ensemble" , create a decent Leslie effect and so many
other functions that still lacking from a 2016 leader arranger !!!

[siebenhirter]

.. Nothing is more important in an arranger than the real time automation facilities that will make the difference for a performer and choose a keyboard brand , contrary to a home/studio user that doesn't run out of time while playing and gets impressed with fancy menus !

OK - homeusers does not run out of time while playing, but also for them it is not important to be impressed with fancy menus, but fatal do loose features as done with Pa4x.

For homeusers it is important to have a second tool which one is not fixed on a song or style like Songbook, but retrieve settings intuitive, easy and accordingly to ones temporary personal feelings. So as one could do with AutoSelectSounds, AutoSelectPerformance und StyleChange with Pa-Series before restrictions of Pa4x.

For those again who did not understood - it's not about whether "Songbook" or "Auto Select" is more powerful, because it is not a competition. We had and used features parallel. Everyone could use one or both of them according to his personal needs - professional or hobby without delimitation in accordance using his musical habits.

This could be done so far - can not understand, why are these features vanished, why defends one against it to continue implementing these features as before.

Anyone who claims songbook, setlists and some features shifted to Globals (like StyleSettings) would allow same applications is wrong and maybe never used this.

Auto-Selects and Style Change are to be used in an intuitive manner for joyful music without predetermined, preplanned songs or styles and never is possible to be done with Songbook.

This features was made for this reason more than ten years ago. When one of Autoselect-buttons was single-pressed you immediately get preferred Styles, Performances or Sounds in DirectAccess (not only 4 KbdSets but 16, also Sounds of Drums/Bass/Accs etc).

[Veren]

Hi Antony

200% on your last post.

its just crazy how these real time assists are not in there yet.

just my NO WORTH comment as they just don't care.

[rikkisbears]

Hi Guys
Finally downloaded a manual. And looked at the keyboard.
Just realised the sts's situation may affect me.
Ok.
I'm only a home player.
I don't use the songbook function.
I basically have the style I use for a song noted on my sheet music.

I set a style up to suit a particular song. Even swap around variations so that I can just play thru from vari 1 thru to 4. Sometimes I may duplicate a variation so that I can have a different melody sound on each. So basically they'reuser styles.

Each variation has it 's own melody sound.
I always play with the sts button flashing so that the sounds change automatically with each variation.

Can the pa4x function that way?

Bit awkward trying to figure it out from the manual.

Hi
Please ignore above, I think I found my answer.
Thank goodness I found the pa4x video 's on the korg site.
"Style to Kbd set button " appears to do what I want.
So much easier watching the video, than trying to work it out from the manual
when one doesn't really know what I 'm looking for.

[Bernie9]

Could someone explain what this function is for?