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Steve,

What you say may in fact turn out to be correct, but there are a million other scenarios that also may come to pass.

No question there are competitive forces at work, but there's no way any of us can predict with any certainty how Korg will deal with them.

Just think about the current price points for both units for awhile.

Ken
Ken,
The current price point of both units is what I am driving at, I guess because of the quite large gap, korg have to maintain it and justify it. It must be easier and cheaper to upgrade in software. This is precisely why Korg have spent 10 years developing "OASYS"
If the Roland Fantom G is built along the same lines as the prevoius Fantoms i.e. "closed arcitecture" then it will probably have the same sequencer (as good as it looks from these screen shots) till the day it is superceded with Fantom 'H' some time in the future
You're quite right Ken , none of us know or can predict with any certainty how Korg will deal with these competative forces, but I believe that they had the forethought and courage to develop this system some time ago to keep hold of and re-inforce there status as the No. 1 in the keyboard workstation world. If I am proved right and they do come up with a terrific upgrade for the sequencer / HD recorder that blows away the Fantom G they will be even happyier Oasys owners around the world (if that's possible) with many more joining the band wagon.
Of course this is all wishfull thinking :P but in my heart it does all make sense, I just feel there is so much more to come. Time will tell.
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*duplicated post*
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dhjdhj wrote:I struggle to accept the view that there can be an all-in-one solution for both live use and recording.
Before anything else, I have to say this is a fascinating thread !

But I think Mr Jordan Rudess would agree with you on that statement above : he uses an O 88 live, plus a Radias and a Memotron now - he used just the O on the previous tour...

...but his equipment list for the last DT album sessions and his recent solo album is rather different : Moogs, Poly Evolvers, Roland SH-201, V-Synth GT, VP550, etc. He's responsible for a lot of the work on the new Fantom G too...

Just thought that might be an interesting perspective from one of the major O users out there...
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I watched a Dream Theatre DVD the other week and saw that he also had a Moog Modular up there!
I believe he also uses the Muse Receptor.


I've just started using the O with my band (after a few weeks learning its basics) and I'm now struggling to explain to them why I still want to bring my Minimoog, a Hammond, and a controller along with MainStage running on a laptop!
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MainStage? I love MainStage! Mainstage does something I have never seen before in anything else... Intelligent splitting. If you have a splitpoint and play a line with your right hand and go over it it stretches the split point out intelligently for a ways so you don't finish a line on the other instrument. Man, I love it!
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stevP wrote:
Hi Davidb,
Having just looked at the screen shots from the Fantom G, I too wish my Oasys had half of all that.... However I am maybe a little more optimistic that we will see something similar coming up on our Oasys in the future. I believe Korg will have to match what Roland are doing as regards hardware sequencing. Roland have just "upped the anti" somewhat, these screen shots look like a sequencer that uses its 8+" wide "screen estate" to its maximum effectiveness, very user friendly, with its mouse, and "DAWish" type features, copy and paste etc. This looks to be way ahead of what our Oasys sequencer has to offer and it points to the way hardware sequencers are heading. Now Korg as we all know have led the way in regards keyboard music workstations ever since the dawn of the M1. The Oasys is driven by software, this is the best platform to develop the nextgeneration of korg workstations, and we have the hardware to more than match what the Fantom G has. Once the Fantom G hits the street, there will be side by side comparisons and it will be IMHO actually damaging for Korg's potential future sales. I don't believe Korg will sit and do nothing..... they can't afford to. Lets think about the next five years, :roll: Korg simply has to revamp / overhaul its sequencer HD recording, to match what Roland are now starting, the Oasys is the platform they have developed for such as this!! 8)
They will not match it...............................they will surpass it!!! :lol:
Will take a little more time, maybe , they like to get things right.
Just my two bob's worth
Hello SteveVP.
One of my post was missed. Sorry for this dealy in getting back to you!

Its true that with the Oasys, which is software driven, Korg *could* improve the Sequencer.
The question is if they *will*.

I think along the lines you do, and I don't believe Korg can afford themselves to sit down and do nothing in this regard of the Sequencer upgrade, one of the most, if not THE MOST requested features of the Oasys up to date.
Even more now that the coming of the Fantom G is near:
A 128 track sequencer with 480 TPQN resolution and 24 audio tracks, full edit recording with different edit graphical windows, with up to 22 simultaneus effects in sequencer mode; etc....
For that price tag, it will affect the Oasys´image of leadership for sure, at least in this deparment.

Having said that, maybe an overhaul of the whole sequencer is not possible at all in the Oasys, despite its Open architecture.
We have seen that for Korg this concept does not mean to *change* or *modify*what the system is and do, but to *add* to what the system already has.
In this case this is the way to follow, then: traying to add features to the current sequencer.

Futhermore with the Sequencer matter, the proven truth is that its in fact possible, if Korg wants to, adding new functionality to the actual sequencer as it stands now, as we have seen in OS 1.3 with the new feature that allows you to hear the edited measure in the Edit Window without leaving the edition, as an example of what it can be done, and come to show that some things can still be done/ upgraded in the Sequencer area.

Following this path, maybe Piano Roll edit fuctions, increased resolution, etc, as well as other requested features, are on the way in future OS 1.4 and 1.5 and so on. Lets hope so.
This way of upgrading is possible for Korg, as we have seen.
If not a new Sequencer "per se", may a refined one with new features is feasible.

As I said, is not if they *can*, the question is more if they *will*.

Lets wait an see.
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Yes, and it would be even better if it was reliable!

ryan42 wrote:MainStage? I love MainStage! Mainstage does something I have never seen before in anything else... Intelligent splitting. If you have a splitpoint and play a line with your right hand and go over it it stretches the split point out intelligently for a ways so you don't finish a line on the other instrument. Man, I love it!
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dhjdhj wrote:Yes, and it would be even better if it was reliable!
LOL :-)
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Don't forget that the Oasys can surpass all of the features with only a software update. I'm doing fine with the features that are available on the Oasys currently. Improved sequencer functions on the audio side would be nice like undo levels for takes and edits. Enabling 24 bit recording would be nice also.
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RobertPlatinum wrote:Don't forget that the Oasys can surpass all of the features with only a software update..
Maybe with just one update, maybe it´ll come step to step.

We have to expect the OASYS will have the now in the works 1.4, and at least few more OS upgrades.

So we´ll have to wait to see what´s happening about all this in the upgrades to come.
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