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Lee wrote:John,
One question so...is t optimised and proper for the PA2XPRO or not?
I do not play the PA500 or PA500M

Also, The PA800 is pretty much the same sounds, styles, etc...the same, so why would it be good for PA800 and not PA2XPRO?
Thanks,
Lee

John, I received your PM and responded with my e-mail address.

Though, I also share the same concern. Has the BKP file that you're going to send me been Optimized for "PA800" by you personally? Do you guarantee that loading this file will not cause any kind of damages for sure? and last, when I reload my original set afterwards, will it take the keyboard completely back to the state it was in prior to loading this BKP file? Because I don't want any of my user stuff to be overwritten or changed.

Hi Sam,
a bkp file will overwrite your board.

I haven't got John's latest , but the earlier one ( a few weeks back) I did download.

It overwrote everything I had, so wasn't really suitable for me because I had a heap of my own user styles & sounds loaded.

Before I loaded it in , I did a complete back up, NOT just a
Save All.

I was then able to restore my keyboard back to the way I had it before I loaded John's bkp file..


If you don't want to alter certain things on your board, you need individual files to load as required.

This one is a newer version. Still deciding whether it's worth my while buying , as I don't really use many of the onboard styles, I mainly use my own styles.

Hi John,
sorry, must be missing something.

Why would your file sound any better on my PA800 than it would on Lee's PA2X?

As Lee mentioned, as far as we're aware, sounds & styles are identical.?


[quote="johnsmies"]Lee,

I have not sent you anything for the PA-2X. Besides I think I already did send you the BKP file for the PA-2X, and even the seperate files , or not ?

It has been 'optimised " but apparently results are disappointing. I cannot
check for lack of the instrument. What I can guarantee you is that the files and the BKP is SAFE to load (provided of course you have made a good BKP back up file of your own data ). So no worries there.

rikkisbears wrote:
If you don't want to alter certain things on your board, you need individual files to load as required.

No, I have a truck load of user performances and styles. I dont' want them to be overwritten by the file. I'll ask him to send me the individual files of few performances so i could load them into an empty slot. If that's not possible, then, I won't load it.

Sam and Lee, (Sam in particular)

You guys keep on missing the point. I will once more oblige though and send Sam one tiny set of performances.....

My Resources are like a painting that has been completed. If you only load the performances e.g. they will often have the correct righthand sound settings but the style ( and its parameters) that it wil select will be entirely the wrong one. Hence you can not judge or do justice to all of my work without actually loading all performances and styles at the same time.
I can easily send you all the files seperately as well but that is not the point. All of my efforts have concentrated on optimizing a certain style with certain righthand sounds. One cannot really be viewed without the other, that is what many on the forum here and elsewhere do not seem to grasp.

Furthermore I am totally puzzled by your paranoia Sam to replace the BKP.
for crying out load, your PA is a musical computer nothing more nothing less and if you back up all of your resources by means of a BKP, nothing can go wrong. ( but if you are that uncertain make a BKP twice on different things, e.g. one on a USB stick one on your hard disk).

JOhn

johnsmies wrote:
Furthermore I am totally puzzled by your paranoia Sam to replace the BKP.
for crying out load, your PA is a musical computer nothing more nothing less and if you back up all of your resources by means of a BKP, nothing can go wrong. ( but if you are that uncertain make a BKP twice on different things, e.g. one on a USB stick one on your hard disk).

JOhn

No John, that's not only the problem with this. You see, you are the original creator of this file, but according to yourself you've only worked personally on a PA500. You haven't been able to "optimize, or adapt" the file for PA800 and 2x personally. Others have done that. In fact I don't even think you've heard your work on anything besides PA500!!! Somewhere you said , it seems that the results on PA2x are disappointing. So if you haven't personally worked on the file yourself and dont' even know how the keyboard is responding to your project, don't you think you , it's little bit odd for you not to answer questions and concerns?

If you say we need to load the whole file to see your work , I believe you. AFter all you're the one who created this, so you know better, but you're not answering our questions:

1) Did you create the BKP file for PA800 yourself? Do u know for sure there's no risk in loading this file? Or Someone else has done this without your supervision?
2) Have you heard your work on a PA800? If you have, then why you think it sounds good on PA800, but it doesn't on PA2x?

You can call it paranoia..but these are just some basic questions for you, and I don't know why you're not answering them clearly, but in bits and pieces.

1) Did you create the BKP file for PA800 yourself? Do u know for sure there's no risk in loading this file? Or Someone else has done this without your supervision?

No.
Yes I know for sure.

2) Have you heard your work on a PA800? If you have, then why you think it sounds good on PA800, but it doesn't on PA2x?

NO.
People with a PA-800 who ordered and installed it were 90% very enthusiastic.
People with PA-2X who ordered it found that there were many righthand sounds that did not seem to fit. I had this altered via Dennis and instead of using USER SOUNDS created by myself I replaced those by factory sounds but did tweak them in the performance parameters.
Reactions from PA-2X owners vary from very enthusiastic to so-so.

If you cannot install my BKP you might as well never install another BKP.
The only guarantee missing is that of Fort Knox, but even that does not count for much anymore in the States, or so I have been told..........

JOhn

Yes I know for sure
Ok, then send me the full BKP so I can listen to it.

NO
Ok, so it's fair to say, you've only and truly been able to complete the work for PA500 so far. Anything else done for PA800 and PA2x is only a work in progress, until YOU get a hold of those keyboards and go through every single style and performance or change you've created and be able to actually "HEAR" and "APPROVE" of it. If you want donation , or if you want to put it for sale, you're fully responsible to finish the work properly in that manner. Posting a few comments is totally meaningless. At this point, you should only put the PA500 version for sale.

I had this altered via Dennis and instead of using USER SOUNDS created by myself I replaced those by factory sounds but did tweak them in the performance parameters

But how??? but you don't know how it sounded like? This is suppose to be your vision. How do you tweak parameters without hearing the difference?

If you cannot install my BKP you might as well never install another BKP.The only guarantee missing is that of Fort Knox, but even that does not count for much anymore in the States, or so I have been told

John, please stop playing with words. For once, let's throw out all the irrelevent emotional extras and focus on the subject. We're not talking about another BKP file, we're talking about YOUR BKP file and the circumstances through which it was made. I hope this doesn't sound like a joke. Please handle this professionally.

Hi Sam,

This has been a very instructive voyage for me at least. It has taught me that my patience has grown tremendously over the years. I find it hard to imagine that any PA player is still with us on this discussion. For those who are , please feel free to see my webpages and act accordingly.

http://pasounds.intropagina.nl/

As to you Sam,I will NOT , I repeat NOT send you anything because I truly resent your entire approach to my efforts, willingness, trust etc. etc.
It's a free world , it's your life and your decision but it is my hard work...

greetings,
JOhn

johnsmies wrote:
As to you Sam,I will NOT , I repeat NOT send you anything because I truly resent your entire approach to my efforts, willingness, trust etc. etc.
It's a free world , it's your life and your decision but it is my hard work...

greetings,
JOhn

ok!

Hi all,

From the beginning I have been following this discussion about John's performances. This is because I agreed to convert John’s performances from the PA-500M to PA-800.
And I feel a little bit responsible for all the sh*t John gets for creating something .

After saving my PA-800 data I loaded loading the empty BKP factory file,
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/software/ ... s_v201.zip
in my PA-800 , I loaded the save all of John's PA-500M according to John's instructions . These are the same instructions John sent you all to load the SBK file or the save all file.

After that I changed a few things so the PA-800 would sound as intended by John .

Here are the changes in the performances made by me .

The factory sounds are unchanged. The sounds of the PA-500M and the PA-800 have got the same midi address, so no changes there. This is not entirely true , to be honest . Some sounds have been replaced by RX sounds of the same instrument family. This after consulting John about it. After all it is a PA-800 so why not use it.

The user sounds however are reprogrammed as close as possible to the original sound. This where only the multi samples that had to be changed to let the user sound ,sound like John intended them to sound.
This was necessary because the musette1 multi sample in the PA-500M would produce a Pipe Flute 1_L multi sample in the PA-800 . The multi sample list of the PA-500M does not correspond to the PA-800 multi sample list.
Sometimes ( in 3 or 4 cases ) multi-samples of the PA-500M where not present in the PA-800 multi sample list . Perhaps with different name or so, then I located a multi sample that, in my opinion , fit the description .

Other settings, such as volume, effects, styles, etc. remain unchanged.

After consultation John, I filled the extra user banks ( styles and performances ) with some I collected and reprogrammed a bit .

After these changes I have send John the BKP and the save all file of the PA-800 and reloaded my own PA-800 data. No worry´s here.

The work I did , about 0.001% of the job John spent working on his performances , I did to help John by making a PA-800 BKP file with his performances .

John did a great job programming this however the performances must fit your taste of music. I personally have some string, sax and guitar performances picked out of it.
So thank you John .

Like we say in the Netherlands
goed gedaan jochie !!!!!!

regards Willem H

I'm a little late leaving feedback for your work John. Your work is excellent. For thoes who are concerned. This is what I did"

I backed up my whole keyboard just for saftey (never needed it)
I Restored John's Backup file.
I loaded my own (Set) minues the Performances
I cherry picked my perfromances and load them on top of some of John's perfromances that I wouldn't use.

Now I have my own sets with John's Musical Resources. Case closed. It sounds great.

Good job.

Thanks Amir, I know many have been pleased with my resources the way you are. And for some of those who were not they might find your approach worth considering.!!!

regards,
John Smies

I paid john almost 45 euros for his work, and I could've paid him more if he would offered me a demo of his work before donation. I might add my old forgotten PA500 has come to life and now my motif XS6 and PSR-S900 are taking the dust for my live performances. I just don't get it, some users here are trying to 'save' their conscious only to look nice to the people at the forum. It really bothers me when some users tell John they like it but they won't use it anyway so no payment is necessary. Is it the truth, well we never know, at the end we have to honor all people giving them the benefit of doubt, honestly I highly doubt it they will simply discard such amazing customization. As I programmer too(system engineer), its too common to find people who will never appreciate the hard work. That is life. Take for example the other user mdorantes, he offers his professional hard working styles(16) for $100, he sells them on ebay, 9 people has already bought it, no complains so far. This is how needs to be, you need something you pay for it. People spend 3K dollars for a keyboard and refuses to pay for addons. Keep it up John. there will be always people willing to support a professional work as the one you did with the PA500. Just one last advise, next time you do something similar, just raise the price a bit and maybe publish your videos on youtube so you make them think before twice before attacking your work.

Hi everyone, This is my first post on the Korg forums and I felt compelled to comment on this thread as I feel John is getting an unjustified hammering by most who have posted.

I feel it's a shame when someone does something constructive and postive that some people look for the negatives and criticize them for it.

John has put a lot of effort into creating his work and has offered this work for free - thats extremelly generous in my book.
He has now decided to charge for his work, I dont blame him. He has a talent, why not charge for it?

The point that everyone is missing here is, it's Johns work - it's upto him if he gives it away free, asks for donations or charges upfront for it. He spent the time creating it so he has the right to decide how to offer it.

We all ought to be happy that guys and gals like John are around creating these add ons for our keyboards to keep them sounding fresh, I personally would love to have the time and talent to create styles, sounds and performances but I lead a busy life and the little time I do have to sit down and play is spent with presets that are either factory or created by someone else.

If you dont want Johns files, Dont buy them if you do then pay the money the guy is asking for - that's upto you, but don't shoot the guy down for creating them in the first place and offering them up - at least you have a choice!

Well done John, keep up the good work mate.

Regards, Paul.