Very nice Korg resource cut off???

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:44 pm

Thought that you maybe read about the "sulfate" in the blog as you quoted the other entry which was close to the one about the SO4. My favourite Oberheim is the OB-X(a) but I doubt that another rebirth will happen soon, and there is no doubt that the 2/4/8 voice were grerat sounding synthesizers in the 70ies. They have been very succesful... until SCI released their P5.

I guess the Kronos will be a very good investment (if it offers OASYS' sonic quality - which is what I expect).

Peter

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:59 pm

Kontrol49 wrote:I think much of it is how you approach them,if its in a diplomatic rational approach

or maybe it depends on being one of the first buyers of certain synths (got the first mopho key in europe, got the tetr4 in the USA when it was even sold in Europe... got an early voyager...), and a "deep programmer" of some kind of synths.

I push envelopes [pun intended] on my machines, so I probably discover bugs quickly while most users just don't mind.

But I think that when you go "beta" with your clients (=releasing still unfinished software), you've got to be a bit more humble...

let me put it like this:

0) I got s/n 0004 of your new machine, it's got problem X. the problem is such and such. Midi messages are such and such. here's the midi output transcript. Pls advise.
a) the problem you signal doesn't exist. It's not planned by our policies.
0) I know it wasn't planned, but it's there.
b) you bought the product, if you don't like it's probably because you can't use it. Nobody else complained. Stop badmouthing us.
c) two months later: "WE unfortunately discovered a bug, which has now been fixed in release 9.99"

I had already sold the synth after b), of course.

Same story at moog with the voyager.

"vho, me? My software is alwayz perfekt. I haf bin making zoftware for Moog produkts for decades. You haf probably bin zent here by DSI in order to badmouth us".

6 months later: apologies and bug fix.

I couldn't wait 6 months.

Or: I could have, if I hadn't been snubbed.

Come on, the voyager had even to get a hardware revision (which allowed for a software upgrade) to get the aftertouch working at all, and to stop the filter from stepping...

voyagers of the first two years sell at a 20/25% discount on later models, because without the hardware upgrades they won't work,

and "zere iz no bug, you are just hoztile?"...

So, Korg is NOT a black sheep.

All of this is understandable: little money around, hastily finished products because the sales must start ASAP...

Understandable, comprehensible, but all the same reprehensible.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:41 am

Charlie wrote:Interesting though that Oasys-PCI-Owners were finally told that there are no more software developments. O-Owners are not that "privileged".

We announced the discontinuation of the OASYS in April 2009, on this forum. Making a direct announcement on a forum was an unusual step to take, but it was commensurate with our deep respect for the Korg Forums community. That message is here:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=42530

From a personal perspective, I'm still very sad about this.

Best regards,

Dan

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:47 am

Thanks for posting, Dan! I would do it all over again.

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:45 am

Thanks for your posting Dan.

For me it ends any speculationsn and I can move on with making music with this wonderful instrument. I played yesterday for 3 hours and still am blown away from the capabilities of the O.

best regards
SoulBe

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:51 am

danatkorg wrote:
Charlie wrote:Interesting though that Oasys-PCI-Owners were finally told that there are no more software developments. O-Owners are not that "privileged".
We announced the discontinuation of the OASYS in April 2009, on this forum. Making a direct announcement on a forum was an unusual step to take, but it was commensurate with our deep respect for the Korg Forums community. That message is here:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=42530

From a personal perspective, I'm still very sad about this.

Best regards,

Dan

Hi Dan! Thanx for dropping in!!

I know this statement very well - almost by heart. And I was referring to it several times when I mentioned Korgs communication on this subject. Because this statement includes the following sentence: "We constantly get ideas/suggestions/requests for more features for the OASYS, but we cannot promise that any of these can be delivered."

I assume this sentence was well intended and MIGHT tell us, that software development is finished too. But it doesn't tell us for sure. And Kronos shows that Oasys software development was continued. Now I believe it to be an legitimate question for Oasys users if software development for the Oasys is finished or if we might get some of the further developments too (be it for free or for money).

Personally I believe it to be finished. And I got tired of all the speculations and discussions here. It would be easy for Korg to stop that speculations. I'd appreciate more active communication on Korg's side on such matters.

And let me add, that I'm grateful that Korg developed Oasys - I will enjoy playing it for many more years.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:19 pm

Thank you, Dan. I admit your pipe avatar always light me up when I'm scrolling down long and useless messages. I know something useful is coming.

I have a simple question. You have heard/read it countless times. We know it. You know it. We know that you know it. And you know that we know that you know it.

So, I won't ask it here again but I still would like you to answer.

Thank you.

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:20 pm

Yes, thanks Dan for chiming in; it is appreciated.

Charlie wrote:Now I believe it to be an legitimate question for Oasys users if software development for the Oasys is finished or if we might get some of the further developments too (be it for free or for money).

I respectfully second this request - the OASYS announcement that is constantly referred to does not I believe, make a definitive statement about anything that may or may not be released for the O, particularly in light of the development of the O OS that clearly happened for the K, when we were lead to believe that there would be no more development for the platform.

Charlie wrote:And let me add, that I'm grateful that Korg developed Oasys - I will enjoy playing it for many more years.

Absolutely right! Best keyboard in the world, with or without the Kronos.

Hedegaard · Post by **Hedegaard** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:26 pm

cello wrote:Yes, thanks Dan for chiming in; it is appreciated.

Charlie wrote:Now I believe it to be an legitimate question for Oasys users if software development for the Oasys is finished or if we might get some of the further developments too (be it for free or for money).
I respectfully second this request - the OASYS announcement that is constantly referred to does not I believe, make a definitive statement about anything that may or may not be released for the O, particularly in light of the development of the O OS that clearly happened for the K, when we were lead to believe that there would be no more development for the platform.

+1
Me too please.

We NEED to know, definitely, punctually, in plain English that even foreigners here would have no doubt!

Its like the ending of a bad/good relationship, you NEED closure in order to move on!

Hedegaard · Post by **Hedegaard** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:27 pm

Akos, please fix your signature, because it clearly does not state how the Function button works.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:11 pm

Mike Conway wrote:Thanks for posting, Dan! I would do it all over again.

+1

Can't stress how much I love the OASYS....!!!!
Best workstation I've ever owned.

Sharp.

Trinity2112 · Post by **Trinity2112** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:36 pm

Hedegaard wrote: We NEED to know, definitely, punctually, in plain English that even foreigners here would have no doubt!

Exactly. There have been no endless discussions as to whether the Oasys is still in production or how long production will continue because Korg (Jerry) made it VERY CLEAR that PRODUCTION HAS FINISHED. All they have to do (or should have done, if that's the case) is say that THERE WILL BE NO MORE UPDATES. That will put a friggin end to the endless discussions that have been taking place since the M3 Xpanded upgrade was announced years ago. That's a lot of bandwidth, Sharp!

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:57 pm

danatkorg wrote:
Charlie wrote:Interesting though that Oasys-PCI-Owners were finally told that there are no more software developments. O-Owners are not that "privileged".
We announced the discontinuation of the OASYS in April 2009, on this forum. Making a direct announcement on a forum was an unusual step to take, but it was commensurate with our deep respect for the Korg Forums community. That message is here:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=42530

From a personal perspective, I'm still very sad about this.

Best regards,

Dan

well .... for me Dan´s posting is quite clear .. he quoted about the software discontinuation of Oasys PCI and then ....

best regards
SoulBe

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:07 pm

Now I come to appreciate the work of great geniuses like Schliemann.

3000 savant people in the World have been parsing and commenting a 12 line statement by a [nice] guy who is still living, speaks English, and works in a "customer relations" department.

To no avail. To no conclusion. And without coming to an end. No certitude about the real meaning is in sight. And even if the majority of experts agrees that some final sense may have been decrypted, some heretics insists it's not totally clear.

Now, imagine - by comparison - the immense feat of parsing a couple of vessel fragment, 3000 years old, written in Ancient Greek by a BLIND guy whose existence is not even certain, about a town which could or could not have existed, and if existed, could have been totally incinerated,

and still being able, in a reasonable lapse of years, of finding Troy, buried 15 meters below ground, in a 4000 square km territory.

It took less time to solve the Homerian Dispute,

than deciding if Oasys and Kronos belong to the same author... er... I mean... ok, you know what I mean.

WHICH exactly is the part of "no", "nada", "no more", "zero chance", "zilch", "kaputt", "when hell freezes over", "when pigs will fly", "on my dead body"...

... that is not yet clear?!?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:21 am

Well Ozy, esp. for you I'll post it another time which part I did not get.

Copied right from the official statement:
"We constantly get ideas/suggestions/requests for more features for the OASYS, but we cannot promise that any of these can be delivered."

For me - and please keep in mind I'm not a native English speaker - this is not a "no", "nada", "no more", "zero chance", "zilch", "kaputt", "when hell freezes over", "when pigs will fly", "on my dead body" regarding further software developments. And in the light of actual developments for the Kronos I'd simply want to hear an official statement from Korg (or an unofficial one by anyone from Korg knowing for sure) that software development is finished too.