Gorgeous sounds on this libray, really impressive.
I would definitively buy if it was not linked to the kronos instead of the buyer....can you confirm it still works in this way?
Otherwise I'm gonna buy right now
Hello.
KORG still use the same process linking all Exs libraries to your KRONOS. I'm not sure if that will change but I did mention the view point some people have on that to KORG and they were happy to hear what was said. Weather or not the process will change is up to them. It's their system of piracy control.
Bald Eagle wrote:Has anyone tried Strum Electric from Applied Accoustic Systems? It looks interesting. I believe it's all modeled and does not use any samples.
I own it. I liked the Acoustic Sessions I got with the KLC package and love the String Studio, so I though it would be worth getting the whole bundle.
The electrics are 'meh', a little muddy in sound and articulation. They are better in context using the strum features though. The one sound I can use on its own is the clean jazz guitar, but to tell the truth, I can get the same quality on even an analog synth for that.
What it ended up doing was getting me to buy Kontakt5 and as soon as I can justify the extra three bills for it, I'll pick up the Vir2 Electri6ity. I like the sound of their demos better and it's the only one with 6/12 string Rickenbackers,
It doesn't sound like Strum Electric is very good/popular. Maybe I'll try one of the other ones mentioned at some point.
In the mean time I have acquired the perfect solution to creating great guitar sounds ... I purchased a guitar and an effects processor. Of course now I have to learn how to play it better
Nice! acoustic guitars, but it would of been nice if it also had electric and Vintage Fender or a bigger variation, like the Yamaha patches on the previous post, and the Yamaha only 39.99? maybe I should like at a Yammy? anyhow, keep up the good work.
Nice! acoustic guitars, but it would of been nice if it also had electric
Then it wouldn't be an Acoustic Guitar EXs.
In my opinion, Electric and Acoustic guitars are very different products. I would think people would much prefer that they were sold separately at their individual price, and not combined value under a single product.
the Yamaha patches on the previous post, and the Yamaha only 39.99? maybe I should like at a Yammy?
Real guitarists collect guitars like we do samples. So even they aren't happy with one all the time. Whoever commented on the need for improved effects though gets my backing harmony on that.
With the right effects, any acoustic is a great electric too.
Just the Korgs; Kronos X88; M3exp w/EXBRadias; Radias rack; KLC; N5.
This thread and Sharp's comments in another about isolating single strings made me wonder about a couple of things.
Do we often feel guitar samples are "lacking" because of the pristine nature of the samples? Part of the essence of something like a guitar is the sympathetic vibrations and resonance that is inherent.
I wonder if some merge of physical modeling to produce those sounds that we expect to be there isn't necessary to really create a sound that is fully convincing. Is anybody aware of something like that? When I need guitar, I play one, so guitar samples are not something I deal with much, but interesting to think about - of course, I may be totally wrong here too.
I personally think that the most common immediate problem with real world sounds inside a Keyboard is that the PCM data is Mono, and the samples are the shortest length possible.
So we don't hear the instruments naturally as they are in the real world at all. In fact, they are heavily processed because of the old ROM Limitation of thinking.
This is the main reason why VSL / Mega Sample Libraries sound so much better than most keyboards on the market.
So the problem is not so much sympathetic resonance as the immediate problem. It's quite simply keyboards not dragging their rear end out of the old ROM days fast enough.
If I were KORG, I'd be looking at purchasing the rights to certain PCM data that people have recorded for EXs Expansions and to include that going forward as standard in future Workington. As well as doing their own sampling.
Go stereo, full natural decay, and streaming all the way. It's the only way keyboards are going to keep up to mega sample libraries that stream on DAW's.
ed_f wrote:This thread and Sharp's comments in another about isolating single strings made me wonder about a couple of things.
Do we often feel guitar samples are "lacking" because of the pristine nature of the samples? Part of the essence of something like a guitar is the sympathetic vibrations and resonance that is inherent.
I wonder if some merge of physical modeling to produce those sounds that we expect to be there isn't necessary to really create a sound that is fully convincing. Is anybody aware of something like that? When I need guitar, I play one, so guitar samples are not something I deal with much, but interesting to think about - of course, I may be totally wrong here too.
I think some type of physical modeling is needed. Just playing back several samples of individual notes will not produce the same tone as a real guitar chord. I believe you can do some relatively convincing lead guitars on a keyboard but chords always fall short regardless of playing techniques.
Realistic physical modelling would be the holy grail, but such technology is very rare. The only sound engine that comes to mind that can do realistic physical modelling is Pianoteq.
Yamaha got very close with their VL Technology, but they seem to have stopped development on that long long ago.
Sample Modelling on the other hand is a little more widely used. Wivi and Synful come to mind. There are a few others, but not many. Sample Modelling is exciting.
If you look at what VSL, Native Instruments and all the other manufactures of powerful sample engines are producing, they all use scripting. KORG has this kind of technology inside their Pa-Series Arrangers. If you take that, mix it with what I said in my last post, then KORG would be laughing and a workstation could give a DAW running a mega library a good run for its money.
KORG would need to go 64Bit though in order to support a lot more ram for streaming.
Great comments thanks. This is one of those things that suddenly crept into my mind and hasn't left.
Sharp I think you are spot on with the samples that is the huge first step, but bald you hit on what I was getting at with playing a chord - there is a lot going on there sonically that I think we might be missing.
As for electric guitars, I have been converting the Sweetwater Ultimate Guitars sample cd for the Kurzweil series that was produced in the mid 1990's. I get extremely good results with them on the Kronos (I find..). I would be happy to make these available for the forum, and have asked Sweetwater for their blessing. I'm still waiting on an answer though...
Would be a nice addition to the guitar sets already produced by Kid Nepro (EXs83), Sharp (EXs91), and the free Flame Studio Guitars of Busch...
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Sharp: I'm a guitarist of forty years experience so I really know what a guitar is supposed to sound like. Your acoustic samples sound great! I am looking forward to getting your EXs-91 when I get my Kronos. Good job Mate!
AnDeRoo: How long, in time/seconds are the samples on the Sweetwater CD? Do the samples sound real? The reason I ask is because I have an Axe FX II guitar amp modeler that can tone match a CD wave sample. The Axe could emulate those sounds "dead on". I have always struggled getting eq just right and a CD of this high of caliber sounds might help me to dial in my sounds better.
HwyStar wrote:How long, in time/seconds are the samples on the Sweetwater CD? Do the samples sound real?
I am not a guitarist, but the samples sound good to me. Back in the 90'ies this CD got rave reviews. The conversion to Kronos is not perfect - things like included WahWah do not work as on the Kurzweil. But the basic sounds I get on the Kronos sound great to me. Some samples are quite long (e.g. the Gibson ZZ guitar is 44Mb)
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