How much would you Pay for a SET Editor?

[Sam CA]

Sam with all respect but if you like to play hard , then let it be , so ...
If you are an advanced programmer and you own PaSeries Open source Gui soft then we could probably
discuss further details why you will never see such a custom resources merger , which is definitely the main
request of all ethnic users for many years worldwide in all keyboards forums , but at present time , sorry but only
Sharp & Rob Sherratt have the privileges and knowledge to speak against my words with documentations.

No, i'm not a programmer at all. This technical talk is for those who have developed this particular software and have the inside knowledge. The pattern is there though. Many people claimed many things would never be possible and there's been always someone or some team who are really good at what they do and were able to just make things happen (that seem impossible to you). You might be a good programmer, but maybe your skills are just not enough in a particular area. You don't know every thing Anthony. You just know what you know. You might do real well in some areas, and not so good and totally limited in another area. Like it or not, it's a fact of life. You need to realize you have your own limitations. It's totally possible there's millions of programmers out there that could do amazing programming if and if they had access to the right information. Maybe you're not the right person for that particular task. It's possible. People have been wrong before. You're no exception.

So all in all, your opinion counts (it's probably a good one too), but that's all it is. It's just an opinion. At best it proves, this is no easy task. It also proves that you believe it's not something you can do at this time and that's ok. Again, I personally believe that you're really good at whatever it is you do, but I also believe you have a lot of weaknesses and limitations like everybody else...

By the way, if Korg (ever) releases an editor in the future, it might suck real bad, as most version 1s do. It'd be a starting point for talented programmers to get the ball and run with it. Eventually, it may turn into a full blown useful editor.

[MadrasGiaguari]

Again DEAR friends,

I really don't understand why to be so negative about a tool that would be so pleased to many Pa3x owners.

As I said so many times, I've personally experienced the fantastic convenience of a software to reorganize large layouts of styles. It worked PERFECTLY for years.

I wish I could let you try it. You would be very surprised. And you would realize the enormous difference working on a PC instead of on the keyboard itself.

Milan Marcovic, where you are????????????

[WAVEXtractor]

nothing.. is never impossible

[AntonySharmman]

Sam , for last time , the discussion about this tip is that I keep on insisting that this function will not be published for
reasons I might know better , I never mentioned that I can't develop it or anybody else , maybe I mean it doesn't worth
to mess with it now-days , and if you like so ... yes I wish I'm wrong !
My input was clearly to inform you that you might not hope to ever see this function in a utility and the reason is the OS
architecture , and not programmers weakness , that's all !

But as I said there are many other fields of a such a utility editor that you can discuss , don't get stacked on the
particular function , also I strongly believe that nobody will ever dislike an external editor , it's an option that can
help a lot of users .

[Sam CA]

, for last time , the discussion about this tip is that I keep on insisting that this function will not be published for
reasons I might know better , I never mentioned that I can't develop it or anybody else , maybe I mean it doesn't worth
to mess with it now-days , and if you like so ... yes I wish I'm wrong !
My input was clearly to inform you that you might not hope to ever see this function in a utility and the reason is the OS
architecture , and not programmers weakness , that's all !

But as I said there are many other fields of a such a utility editor that you can discuss , don't get stacked on the
particular function , also I strongly believe that nobody will ever dislike an external editor , it's an option that can
help a lot of users .

Well, that sounds better a little.

For one thing, There's no signs of an Editor of any shape or form being developed by Korg at this time. Maybe there will never be one. Maybe one day that'll change. Nobody knows that for sure. Your guess is as good as mine.

As far as the technical part of developing a software, if the right information is handed to the right people, anything is POSSIBLE. It just takes a special talent, some wild and creative imagination and of course some key information that is needed. There's no shortage of great programmers these days. They're everywhere. At this point, company's policy seems to be the only thing getting in the way, but policies do change.


For those who don't think they'll ever need an Editor, there's some good options available. If they sell it to you, don't buy it. If they give out for free, don't install it!

So don't lose sleep, don't feel offended, violated...etc.

[Sam CA]

nothing.. is never impossible

So true...Especially when it comes to Softwares and Electronics.

[Asena]

LISTEN Guy,s Everybody says NO It,s impossible to make samples on KORG pa 80, TURKEY makes 16 MB Sample cards 10 Years ago and Proves IT CAN BE DONE.

Pa 800 only 64 MB sample? NO Again Turkish engineers makes 256 MB, and even 512 now.

Wave Extractor, FROM ???


So belive me, There is HOPE, Never ever give up it!
WE DON,T

[fResH_]

Im with Asena on this one...

I read alot of people writing that they think they know everything. They brags about what they have and what they knows and what they have done. And then says that its not possible to make a program like this?

If you are this knowlegde then make something! Or else all you brag about is s**t wortht.

drop the negative thoughts that you everytime have.. Encourage eachother for developments, even the smallest if it gives benefits for some people. I think this one is a good idea then non idea. And if its possible why stop it?

[pippuzzo]

As I told several times before I found the resource handling non really "user friendly".
Having used the Tyros have to say that there are for sure better solutions to handle resources, both inside and outside the Pa3X itself.

I personally had low pain handling my few "sample related" resources since I use only a personal set of keyboards (piano, ep, wurly and clavinet from an old wizoo akai disk - something I did with my old Pa1X and still working nicely). Handling few sounds does not create to me big problems.
Handling my several hundreds of styles it was really clumsy and time consuming instead!!!
And I understand perfectly the point that having a lot of sounds and dk also included in styles will made me crazy if any.
Mixing different sets with pcm, sound and styles looks to me totally impossible. It's something for a Nobel candidate IMHO.
Also in this case it is a long time and unsolved problem since Pa1X times, if I can remember from that old times.

I really hope a workaround available soon to make everyone's life easier.

Cheers.

[Sharp]

Im with Asena on this one...

And then says that its not possible to make a program like this?

Who said that?

Regards
Sharp.

[Sharp]

My 2 cents.....

There's most certainly an issue here guys for those dealing with styles that use many different custom samples, So there is very good reason for wanting an editor to manage this.

I do not believe anyone said it was impossible.

In fact I believe it will most certainly happen “in time”, but in my opinion, not in the life span of a Pa3X and certainly not in the way your expecting guys.

For a third party programmer to do this work now, the work load is extremely considerable. It would be a huge undertaking that makes no sense at all considering the age of the Pa3X.

I would hope that the future of the Pa-Series is much like the KRONOS. Streaming User Banks. KORG's Streaming User Banks do away with the need to merge data completely.

Regards
Sharp.

[Rob Sherratt]

For software to be able to manage libraries of styles and sampled sounds, that software has to be able to decrypt and then re-encrypt using the encryption algorithm that protects the data stored within the Pa-keyboards. The software within the keyboard itself is able to do this.

Korg have never released any external information that will allow their encryption algorithm to be accessed by 3rd party software. They are unlikely to do so for commercial reasons.

I think the only hope is to complain to Korg that their PA-OS is deficient and full of bugs when importing and combining .SET files. The problems and data corruption errors that occur need to be set out very clearly. Then everyone needs to apply pressure on Korg via the dealer network to get the problems fixed within the PA-OS itself.

[AntonySharmman]

For software to be able to manage libraries of styles and sampled sounds, that software has to be
able to decrypt and then re-encrypt using the encryption algorithm that protects the data stored within the Pa-keyboards.
Korg have never released any external information that will allow their encryption algorithm to be accessed by 3rd party software.
They are unlikely to do so for commercial reasons.

Knowledge always dominates ! Rob always knows what I mean !
For instance Pa2X & Pa800 share the some motherboard chipset and same number of Ram addresses so It was
a piece of cake for me at 2007 with 2 lines of OP code for Pa800 to recognize 256 mb capacity , as the use
of brilliant old java soft 'pa2xconverter" in utilities ,but the rest need open source resources as Rob said , and the
only remarkable modification I've ever seen (if true) is from Lebanon team !

[Asena]

TURKISH TEAM 1
LEBANESE TEAM NR 2 in the world of KORG KB,s and more.
Sweden 3 in making many things, and i hope there will be any one from sweden that gives use a surprise.


I have a friend in Sweden and this guy is awesome kind and has knowledge he is helping anyone and he is not a competed person just a great person that makes, not Talks , Who made the best program on the market for Listening managing and making conversions from different sample sources
We all know him, couse we are using AWAVE STUDIO.
MARCUS DIMDAL. Best programmer i know.
i,m so proud of him.

I also know a man, Who is like a brother an friend a family for me, Who listens and gives hope and talks explains everything that i miss about programing ROB!
Who helped me Better than KORG, Who is there when no one gives feedback From KORG

And Also here is one more that i respect SHARP, JAMES, Who is the reason why we all are Here. REST, I don't care, because its better to have just a few friends than have a lot of people that just claims one for no reason.

[siebenhirter]

... an editor would be a massive help in this situation. Hopefully you'd be able to see the full content of a SET. Maybe generate a report for the favorite styles and see if any of them use the same user samples, so you won't end up with multiple instances of the same sound in your keyboard and more...It would be much easier to merge multiple SETs for different occasions on the fly. Also the amount of Ram won't be such a problem for them anymore, because they won't have to worry about creating one perfect SET that holds everything they need.

Hello,
if styletracks contains programchanges refering to usersamples or userdrumkits/userpercussionkits, then creating a PC-database-manager would not be realized with reasonable expenses. In that case the question "How much would you pay for a Set-Manager" is illusory, because its hardly to realize to manage all filetypes like KSF, KMP, PCG and PCM additional to STY-data.

But without hundreds of Orient-Samples Pc-Bankmanager-Software simple working with exclusively using STY-data would be a great help. Creating and managing stylebanks per PC without having to load each style separately into Pa-keyboard would be much comfortable as possible currently.

Programchanges sporadically included in styletracks and refering to PCG-numbers outside of factorysound-areas would not be a problem but simple a reference to pcgs using samples not suitable for the recent style.