Serious update features need to complete Kronos X

[Vangelismusic]

Although I have both the Extreme and Kronos X, I still feel that KORG left out a lot of things and quality features that the Trinity and Extreme have, I can't believe that they are still in big demand, and if you buy any of them at this present time you are on your own as far as parts. Maybe KROONOS needed to be easier to program, that's probably the biggest problem that I see, they force you to buy something commercail that is not to your liking.

[godparticle]

Now you have made a noteworthy statement.

But regarding these hardware workstation companies, they need to stop and think before they release their premier workstation, especially in this day and age. Look, they make a piano patch from 2 gigs of ram. Does Korg realize that all 1300 sounds in the Yamaha Motif XF consist of only 768 mbs, all 1300 sounds only use 768 mbs, and yet Korg give ONE piano sample preset that takes up several gigabytes? My oh my, i am all for this, a perfectly sampled high-end performance piano with no loop-points and all natural decay, that is good for such people who desire it, i am happy for them, but surely i would've thought that Korg would give a bit more consideration to EDM producers, we could use many more phat synth samples in the ROM and bigass EDM drumkits. It's almost like Korg hate modern pop music and EDM and look down on us types.

[jorgemncardoso]

Man, nobody Hates EDM musicians. I'm shure Korg dosen't hates them either. YOU on the other hand seem to hate live musicians and all the musical genres that uses pianos, e.p.'s or other acoustic instrument sounds.
If you new anything about sampling you would understand why Korg needed to dedicate so many memory to reproducing a great acoustic piano sound!

Have you considered that perhaps the Kronos is NOT the ideal keyboard for you, and you should look at others keyboards??
Just a thought....

[SanderXpander]

Go buy a Motif then and enjoy all the presets, synth samples (!?!?) and lack of synth engines.

[jeebustrain]

Go buy a Motif then and enjoy all the presets, synth samples (!?!?) and lack of synth engines.

This.

There is no synthesizer that is everything to everyone, so if you approach it like that, you're bound to be disappointed. From a live player's point of view, there are features I wish it had, too. But I make due with what I have and move on. Taken as a whole, it's still light years beyond everything else in the market, from a workstation standpoint.

GP - Learn how to program and sample yourself and stop relying on Korg to do everything for you.

[Vangelismusic]

The motif might not have all those synth engines and I think it's way over-rated and should cost less then it's sold for, but it has the sweet voices or mega, that with velocity plays a different patch at the same time, one thing the Kronos should of had many years back,although it can be achieved it isn't implemented in the Factory sounds, like the MOTIF.

[jorgemncardoso]

The motif might not have all those synth engines and I think it's way over-rated and should cost less then it's sold for, but it has the sweet voices or mega, that with velocity plays a different patch at the same time, one thing the Kronos should of had many years back,although it can be achieved it isn't implemented in the Factory sounds, like the MOTIF.

That's why these synths are PROGRAMABLE, it means you can PROGRAM YOURSELF the sounds you need. Factory sounds means nothing, what means something is if the synth has the TOOLS and Samples to allow YOU to program any sound you need, and BOTH the Kronos and the Motif have it!

What is people's problem these days?? Nobody wants to bother to spend some time, work and patience on programing. Everybody thinks the every keyboard company owes them something, has to offer all the work and all the patches they need for free and by the thousands! WTF!!??

Back in my day with my old DX7 and my old M1 if i wanted more sounds i would either buy expensive patch libraries from the sound designers available or had to learn to program my own! Since i wasen't rich, i had to bust and work my ass off to learn and program decent sounds that i needed. I i've manage to create some great ones myself.

Do the same!!!! If you don't know how, learn it!! All the information is widely available these days. In my time i had almost no info and did it!
People today have way too much stuff and with too much ease. They just don't value anything anymore, Don't want to do hard work to create anything anymore. Just want someone else to do the hard work or push a button and everything is done without work.
Today we have VST's with amazing libraries, by the hundreds. Workstations that do 100 times more then the ones at the beginning of the 90's, and we just want to do less and less. It's like we've all turned into lazy asses, just relying on technology for everything, geezzz!!!

Sorry all for the rant, but this just gets on my nerves!

[kaptainkeyboard]

but surely i would've thought that Korg would give a bit more consideration to EDM producers, we could use many more phat synth samples in the ROM and bigass EDM drumkits. It's almost like Korg hate modern pop music and EDM and look down on us types.

Are you still calling yourself a Producer?
I have worked in this industry for several decades and have come across a few pathetic creatures like you who claim to be something they are not.
How dare you place yourself along side the hard working, dedicated and extremely knowledgable people who have spent a lifetime learning their craft.

Every time you vent your anger on this forum you exhibit a total lack of understanding, talent or skill. You have nothing to offer, other than plagiarising other producers work, sounds and samples.
And the sad thing is, you will never progress as long as you have such anger and hatred in your soul.
Learn your craft or leave it, it's not difficult.
And please, please do not mention phat synths, ROM samples or EDM drums again, it's like dragging your finger nails down a chalkboard listening to your inane drivel.

And another thing - Peter Higgs lives in Edinburgh, just up the road from me, and he detests the name "godparticle".
The name has nothing more to do with "The Higgs Boson" than you have to EDM or any other genre of music production.

You should try gardening or flower arranging...maybe buy a book with pictures in it so you don't need to learn stuff.
The irony of that last line will be totally lost on you - go ask a grown up to explain it to you.

[section4]

What is people's problem these days?? Nobody wants to bother to spend some time, work and patience on programing. Everybody thinks the every keyboard company owes them something, has to offer all the work and all the patches they need for free and by the thousands! WTF!!??

+1000 !

[jeebustrain]

but surely i would've thought that Korg would give a bit more consideration to EDM producers, we could use many more phat synth samples in the ROM and bigass EDM drumkits. It's almost like Korg hate modern pop music and EDM and look down on us types.

Are you still calling yourself a Producer?
I have worked in this industry for several decades and have come across a few pathetic creatures like you who claim to be something they are not.
How dare you place yourself along side the hard working, dedicated and extremely knowledgable people who have spent a lifetime learning their craft.

Every time you vent your anger on this forum you exhibit a total lack of understanding, talent or skill. You have nothing to offer, other than plagiarising other producers work, sounds and samples.
And the sad thing is, you will never progress as long as you have such anger and hatred in your soul.
Learn your craft or leave it, it's not difficult.
And please, please do not mention phat synths, ROM samples or EDM drums again, it's like dragging your finger nails down a chalkboard listening to your inane drivel.

And another thing - Peter Higgs lives in Edinburgh, just up the road from me, and he detests the name "godparticle".
The name has nothing more to do with "The Higgs Boson" than you have to EDM or any other genre of music production.

You should try gardening or flower arranging...maybe buy a book with pictures in it so you don't need to learn stuff.
The irony of that last line will be totally lost on you - go ask a grown up to explain it to you.

I quite enjoyed reading that.

A shitty carpenter blames his tools.

[BobTheDog]

It's funny, everyone is a producer nowadays. Totally devalued the job title.

[GregC]

The motif might not have all those synth engines and I think it's way over-rated and should cost less then it's sold for, but it has the sweet voices or mega, that with velocity plays a different patch at the same time, one thing the Kronos should of had many years back,although it can be achieved it isn't implemented in the Factory sounds, like the MOTIF.

That's why these synths are PROGRAMABLE, it means you can PROGRAM YOURSELF the sounds you need. Factory sounds means nothing, what means something is if the synth has the TOOLS and Samples to allow YOU to program any sound you need, and BOTH the Kronos and the Motif have it!

What is people's problem these days?? Nobody wants to bother to spend some time, work and patience on programing. Everybody thinks the every keyboard company owes them something, has to offer all the work and all the patches they need for free and by the thousands! WTF!!??

Back in my day with my old DX7 and my old M1 if i wanted more sounds i would either buy expensive patch libraries from the sound designers available or had to learn to program my own! Since i wasen't rich, i had to bust and work my ass off to learn and program decent sounds that i needed. I i've manage to create some great ones myself.

Do the same!!!! If you don't know how, learn it!! All the information is widely available these days. In my time i had almost no info and did it!
People today have way too much stuff and with too much ease. They just don't value anything anymore, Don't want to do hard work to create anything anymore. Just want someone else to do the hard work or push a button and everything is done without work.
Today we have VST's with amazing libraries, by the hundreds. Workstations that do 100 times more then the ones at the beginning of the 90's, and we just want to do less and less. It's like we've all turned into lazy asses, just relying on technology for everything, geezzz!!!

Sorry all for the rant, but this just gets on my nerves!

great post. thank you for saying what many of us + 50 yr old keyboard enthusiasts have been saying for some time.

[jimknopf]

but surely i would've thought that Korg would give a bit more consideration to EDM producers, we could use many more phat synth samples in the ROM and bigass EDM drumkits. It's almost like Korg hate modern pop music and EDM and look down on us types.

Are you still calling yourself a Producer?
I have worked in this industry for several decades and have come across a few pathetic creatures like you who claim to be something they are not.
How dare you place yourself along side the hard working, dedicated and extremely knowledgable people who have spent a lifetime learning their craft.

Every time you vent your anger on this forum you exhibit a total lack of understanding, talent or skill. You have nothing to offer, other than plagiarising other producers work, sounds and samples.
And the sad thing is, you will never progress as long as you have such anger and hatred in your soul.
Learn your craft or leave it, it's not difficult.
And please, please do not mention phat synths, ROM samples or EDM drums again, it's like dragging your finger nails down a chalkboard listening to your inane drivel.

And another thing - Peter Higgs lives in Edinburgh, just up the road from me, and he detests the name "godparticle".
The name has nothing more to do with "The Higgs Boson" than you have to EDM or any other genre of music production.

You should try gardening or flower arranging...maybe buy a book with pictures in it so you don't need to learn stuff.
The irony of that last line will be totally lost on you - go ask a grown up to explain it to you.

+1
There are new tools around which promise "producers" (read: non-musicians) to be able to put music together, just by putting "phat" particles of pre-produced music (not necessarily "godparticles") in a row.

It's far easier than using a multipurpose synth like the Kronos.

[jeremykeys]

The motif might not have all those synth engines and I think it's way over-rated and should cost less then it's sold for, but it has the sweet voices or mega, that with velocity plays a different patch at the same time, one thing the Kronos should of had many years back,although it can be achieved it isn't implemented in the Factory sounds, like the MOTIF.

That's why these synths are PROGRAMABLE, it means you can PROGRAM YOURSELF the sounds you need. Factory sounds means nothing, what means something is if the synth has the TOOLS and Samples to allow YOU to program any sound you need, and BOTH the Kronos and the Motif have it!

What is people's problem these days?? Nobody wants to bother to spend some time, work and patience on programing. Everybody thinks the every keyboard company owes them something, has to offer all the work and all the patches they need for free and by the thousands! WTF!!??

Back in my day with my old DX7 and my old M1 if i wanted more sounds i would either buy expensive patch libraries from the sound designers available or had to learn to program my own! Since i wasen't rich, i had to bust and work my ass off to learn and program decent sounds that i needed. I i've manage to create some great ones myself.

Do the same!!!! If you don't know how, learn it!! All the information is widely available these days. In my time i had almost no info and did it!
People today have way too much stuff and with too much ease. They just don't value anything anymore, Don't want to do hard work to create anything anymore. Just want someone else to do the hard work or push a button and everything is done without work.
Today we have VST's with amazing libraries, by the hundreds. Workstations that do 100 times more then the ones at the beginning of the 90's, and we just want to do less and less. It's like we've all turned into lazy asses, just relying on technology for everything, geezzz!!!

Sorry all for the rant, but this just gets on my nerves!

great post. thank you for saying what many of us + 50 yr old keyboard enthusiasts have been saying for some time.

I'm sitting here just chuckling away to myself! As a +50 year old musician, I love it! Fabulous and well deserved rant, my friend!
I come from the days when, if you wanted a sound, you MADE IT! You tweaked the knobs on your synth until you got what you wanted.
I'm not a fan of EDM but that's simply because I don't run into it so I really have no opinion about it. What I have heard, well, frankly it bores me. I much prefer to listen to music that shows that the PLAYER actually has taken the time to learn how to play his instrument. maybe perhaps they had some lessons and proacticed; like;say for hours and hoursm day after day until they had some chops!
Now don't get me wrong here. I also like to listen to old Punk bands and it's pretty hard to say that most of them had "chops", but what they did have was a very strong "do it yourself" attitude. They would works their collective asses off and not whine and complain thet there equipment would do what they wanted it to or that it wasn't good enough. At least they had the bits to push through and make it work, often right down to figuring out how to put their music out on records. Real vinyl records.

Now as far as EDM goes, why can't somebody make it on a Kronos? Phat basses? You're kidding, right? And yes I have heard that the Kronos doesn't do this, I beg to differ. Punchy sounds? No problem. Sampling? Yup!

It's all about learning your instrument!
It's a state of the art, top of the line, keyboard workstationg. Nobody said it would be easy to master.
And by the way, neither is piano!

[jeremykeys]

Please forgive my rant but it strikes me that the O.P. is compaining that his Maserati won't stay on the road because he hasn't learned how to drive!