Tats leaving Korg? This is Unofficial

[Kevin Nolan]

A poster can't argue the issue, so it becomes a personal and race attack. It's a common phenomenon on Forums, and very common on this forum of late. You may down play it - but it has occurred here.

Attack any argument with all the fervour you can muster - we're all up to that - but in this day and age you simply can-not call into question the personal race character of another poster.

Stick to the argument!


It's just unfortunate there's scant moderation on this forum in this regard. Not the first time it's been over looked of late.

[GregC]

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It's just unfortunate there's scant moderation on this forum in this regard. Not the first time it's been over looked of late.

I think there's a certain degree of live and let live, before it gets out of hand.

I would prefer that posters keep this forum cool and fun.

Save the nasty for social media. We don't need it here.

[EvilDragon]

Kevin, we're the same race. Caucasian. And I'm not racist. But you're butthurt.

Don't mix up racism with mild (really mild) personal attacks or personality traits. It's not the same thing at all. Grow some skin, you're probably older than me. You can call me disrespectful to elderly - I might be sometimes, on a given day, given the right "push". But not racist, just because I said Eires are stubborn. That's a well known thing, on a pretty big scale - are you denying it, mayhaps? Lots of your posts are actually confirming it.


In fact, I would say that calling me a racist (via PM, too) is a bigger personal attack than what I said about Eires in general (it wasn't even a personal attack).

[spaceman3]

A poster can't argue the issue, so it becomes a personal and race attack. It's a common phenomenon on Forums, and very common on this forum of late. You may down play it - but it has occurred here.

Attack any argument with all the fervour you can muster - we're all up to that - but in this day and age you simply can-not call into question the personal race character of another poster.

Stick to the argument!


It's just unfortunate there's scant moderation on this forum in this regard. Not the first time it's been over looked of late.

Calling all us bootlickers may not be racist, but it sure shows your character, or lack of.

[StephenKay]

Also, it's amazing how little understanding you have for the fact that not everyone enjoys making and listening to music the way you do.

No s**t. But try to reason with a stubborn Eire and that's what you get, heh. They ALWAYS have to be right. Even when they aren't.

Interesting to see racism alive an kicking from EvilDragon - and being tolerated on this forum I might add!

Let's review the facts. Kevin is from Ireland. Therefore, he is an Eire. Stubborn? Oh, the horrendous injustice of such an evil, negative word! Never have I heard such obscenity! But seriously, has this been demonstrated over and over again on these forums in multiple posts? I'd say yes.

"Stubborn Eire" - I'd say that's 100% factual. There's nothing racist in those two words any more than there would be if you called me a "deplorable Yank". Which I am.

What's worse is trotting out the racism accusation for something so innocuous. And not even related to race, per se.

[spaceman3]

I am irish, but i am a deplorable yank too (INDIANA USA).
I didnt know what a stubborn eire was
Thanks for the info MR Kay.

[Bertotti]

Hey if we are fighting for the stubborn title i want it. I am the most stubborn person around ask anyone who knows me!
But twisted it probably used more often then stubborn so I want that title also. Ok, I hence forth claim Twisted Stubborn Jarhead for myself!

[SanderXpander]

I can confirm that Bertotti is really stubborn. Everybody told him not to get a Kronos as his first synth and he went and did it anyway.

[Sharp]

It's just unfortunate there's scant moderation on this forum in this regard. Not the first time it's been over looked of late.

Just because you don't see me posting doesn't mean I'm not reading what's being posted. I've been following this thread since day one. I just don't have any thing to add to the thread of interest as I have no issue with KORG's legacy or the products they are releasing.

I'm not their intended market when it comes to all the smaller devices, where other people are. That's business. I buy their KORG flagship workstations and I've no problem with them making devices for others that have no interest to me. It's as simple as that.

With regards to the racist flag, as a fellow Irish man, I see no sign of any racist comments in this thread whatsoever.

Regards
Sharp.

[chilly7]

The list or released products before Tats (in the digital age):

M1, T3, WavestationO1W, Trinity, Triton, KAOSS, MOSS (Z1 / Prophecy ...), Karma, OASYS, Radias...

The list of instruments under Tats:

monotrons, monotribe, volcas, minilogue, monologue, some reissues, SQ-1, littleBits synth kit and endless minikeys


Agreed - great for kids - but - an abomination for musicians.

10 wasted years for Korg innovation.

Korg - are you listening - Korg R&D USA back in the driving seat please - there's a world of musicians out here you've abandoned. Now's you're opportunity.

+1

Hopefully they resurrect 100% sound path analog gear. Because digital is like bus pass which expires or is best before but analog is like wine which stays forever and get's only better with time.

Buying digital today do not expect to use it pass 10 years. Analog you can.

[spaceman3]

The list or released products before Tats (in the digital age):

M1, T3, WavestationO1W, Trinity, Triton, KAOSS, MOSS (Z1 / Prophecy ...), Karma, OASYS, Radias...

The list of instruments under Tats:

monotrons, monotribe, volcas, minilogue, monologue, some reissues, SQ-1, littleBits synth kit and endless minikeys


Agreed - great for kids - but - an abomination for musicians.

10 wasted years for Korg innovation.

Korg - are you listening - Korg R&D USA back in the driving seat please - there's a world of musicians out here you've abandoned. Now's you're opportunity.

+1

Hopefully they resurrect 100% sound path analog gear. Because digital is like bus pass which expires or is best before but analog is like wine which stays forever and get's only better with time.

Buying digital today do not expect to use it pass 10 years. Analog you can.

Analogue synths dont last very long .
They run hot and break down and need alot of upkeep.
The very components of analogue synths do not last.
Most digital synths will outlast analogue synths by a huge amount of time.
I like analogue synths, but they do not last.
Digital synths are far more reliable.

[John01W]

The list or released products before Tats (in the digital age):

M1, T3, WavestationO1W, Trinity, Triton, KAOSS, MOSS (Z1 / Prophecy ...), Karma, OASYS, Radias...

The list of instruments under Tats:

monotrons, monotribe, volcas, minilogue, monologue, some reissues, SQ-1, littleBits synth kit and endless minikeys


Agreed - great for kids - but - an abomination for musicians.

10 wasted years for Korg innovation.

Korg - are you listening - Korg R&D USA back in the driving seat please - there's a world of musicians out here you've abandoned. Now's you're opportunity.

+1

Hopefully they resurrect 100% sound path analog gear. Because digital is like bus pass which expires or is best before but analog is like wine which stays forever and get's only better with time.

Buying digital today do not expect to use it pass 10 years. Analog you can.

Analogue synths dont last very long .
They run hot and break down and need alot of upkeep.
The very components of analogue synths do not last.
Most digital synths will outlast analogue synths by a huge amount of time.
I like analogue synths, but they do not last.
Digital synths are far more reliable.

No, they(analog) last just fine, most of them are still out there and fetch(the good ones) huge bucks on the used market...they need maintenance but so do digitals. You have to change caps on digital synths just like you do on analogs....Electrolytic capacitors don't care if they're in a digital based synth or an analog one.....any synth over 20-25 years old digital or analog will need a cap job. Just did a cap job on my 01/Wfd, it needed it badly.

As a matter of fact, I'd say digitals are in a lot of cases are MORE in danger of becoming unrepairable because many of them have custom proprietary dsps and ICs that are pretty much discontinued from model to model a lot of times and if it dies, most of the time the only way to repair it is to cannibalize another of the same synth, then what's the point.

Analogs of old need more calibration...but the new generation of them calibrate themselves(what some seem to be slamming up there). What you say is a weakness(calibration being slightly off), is also part of the "slop" that gives an analog some of it's character.

How hard do you think it is to find a new MOBO for OASYS if it dies?

[vEddY]

How hard do you think it is to find a new MOBO for OASYS if it dies?

Having done that - I can tell you that I found two of these mobos on ebay two years ago after a day, day and a half of searching for it. No trouble at all. And not expensive, as well.

[John01W]

How hard do you think it is to find a new MOBO for OASYS if it dies?

Having done that - I can tell you that I found two of these mobos on ebay two years ago after a day, day and a half of searching for it. No trouble at all. And not expensive, as well.

Good on ya, glad to hear it! From everything I've gathered here those mobos are hard to find, kept me from getting an OASYS 2nd hand and I almost did, I know folks were hording parts.....either way, the point still stands. I think Digitals that are built from computer parts rather than a custom board like most Korgs of the last almost 2 decades would have a better chance in finding parts. Many synth companies use custom chips that won't be around forever, nothing wrong with that.

One day when the OASYS is 25 years old it will be hard to find like anything else and the power supply will have to be recapped or replaced.

[spaceman3]

+1

Hopefully they resurrect 100% sound path analog gear. Because digital is like bus pass which expires or is best before but analog is like wine which stays forever and get's only better with time.

Buying digital today do not expect to use it pass 10 years. Analog you can.

Analogue synths dont last very long .
They run hot and break down and need alot of upkeep.
The very components of analogue synths do not last.
Most digital synths will outlast analogue synths by a huge amount of time.
I like analogue synths, but they do not last.
Digital synths are far more reliable.

No, they(analog) last just fine, most of them are still out there and fetch(the good ones) huge bucks on the used market...they need maintenance but so do digitals. You have to change caps on digital synths just like you do on analogs....Electrolytic capacitors don't care if they're in a digital based synth or an analog one.....any synth over 20-25 years old digital or analog will need a cap job. Just did a cap job on my 01/Wfd, it needed it badly.

As a matter of fact, I'd say digitals are in a lot of cases are MORE in danger of becoming unrepairable because many of them have custom proprietary dsps and ICs that are pretty much discontinued from model to model a lot of times and if it dies, most of the time the only way to repair it is to cannibalize another of the same synth, then what's the point.

Analogs of old need more calibration...but the new generation of them calibrate themselves(what some seem to be slamming up there). What you say is a weakness(calibration being slightly off), is also part of the "slop" that gives an analog some of it's character.

How hard do you think it is to find a new MOBO for OASYS if it dies?

Eletrolytic capacitors fail far more often than DSP ICs or motherboards.
I had a YAMAHA MOTIF6 AND A KORG KARMA for about 12 years without any major problems.
I still have a fully functional casio SK-1 from 1987.
If i would have had a MOOG or some other analogue, they would have needed some kind of repair or replacement parts within that time.
The upkeep of analogues can be pretty expensive if your not a do it yourself tech guy.
In the long run if my digital synth ever konked out, i could replace it cheaper than keeping an analogue working for a decade or so.
Plus if it was a big workstation or performance synth, it would run circles around any analogue synth.
The bottom line for me is that analogue synths track record shows how reliable they are when compared to digital synths track record.
Now if someone can produce some scientific and chronologic litterature or video evidence that proves otherwise i will stand corrected.

BTW, you can find OASYS motherboards on ebay.