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Re: Support for loading samples in the REX2 file format

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danatkorg wrote:The OASYS already has a time-slice feature which uses this approach: it automatically slices a loop, and creates MIDI data for playback in the sequencer. It would be nice, however, to be able to load REX data directly, and also to be able to play time-slice samples with their MIDI data in Program and Combi modes, as well as Sequencer mode.
Hi Dan,
Do you think it would be possible to enhance the OASYS to do this from a program/combi? Right now, I'm importing a set of drum loop and deep textural pad samples into the OASYS for use as part of a combi. If you can import a REX2 sample file and use it as part of a combi and vary the tempo, it would open up a whole new set of possibilities.

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Some other things affect the OASYS in general, the most important one being the 8.3 file name restriction.

I totally agree on this. I feel your pain.
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Drew FM wrote:Some other things affect the OASYS in general, the most important one being the 8.3 file name restriction.

I totally agree on this. I feel your pain.
sorry but what is the 8.3 file name restriction?
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When you save a file on the Oasys the maximum length of the name is 8 letter/numbers + a dot + 3 letters/numbers (abbreviated to 8.3)

Good -> DAZRULES.TXT
Bad -> DazRulesTheEntireKnownUniverse.Totally

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Daz wrote:When you save a file on the Oasys the maximum length of the name is 8 letter/numbers + a dot + 3 letters/numbers (abbreviated to 8.3)

Good -> DAZRULES.TXT
Bad -> DazRulesTheEntireKnownUniverse.Totally

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thanks for the dazytnow.yea GOOD

and for the bad, that we all love == howdoyouknowitall.dearDazyall :lol: but, I learned something anyway...can we, already save on different platform Iknow of the 64, but for the .TXT can it be longer now?
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Just spotted that the PA1X is due get LFN support in it's OS3.0
Support for long file names. You are no longer limited to the classic format 8.3, all capitals. Now names can be as long as you like, and mix upper and lower case characters. Names of files trasferred via USB or CD from a personal computer will not be cut into shorter names, and will look exactly as the original.
Hopefully there is some kind of code sharing going on at Korg. Speaking of PA1X improvements :
Up to 16 oscillators per Sound. Create Sounds as sophisticate as you like. In the Pa1X, each oscillator is a different sound at all. You can either create very rich sounds, or add as many dynamic layers as you like, for the highest degree of nuance in a single sound.
... very nice ! That would be excellent in the HD-1 model.

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Thanks Daz, you are nice, going to check on the PA1 upgrade...On the main time, pleas do apoligize me, because, I do not find the time to investigate like Colombo, in the samples...I am so much learning the Oasys, and bits by bits the puzzle is slowly taking shape...Imagine, for me, a puzzle of a 100'000 pieces and, I feel I just have for now, one boarder, and 2 corners....YEAH

I was also so surprised, the Oasys can't truly record 16 Midi channel like the PA1, in a way, it can truly record, on one shot just 5 midi channel..This is for my taste not enough...I wonder if korg, could on a futur update, implement some kind of better direct midi OUT channel, like, for instance, I know, the PA1 or others gears are differents, but, but, we can still truly REC on 16 Midi channel in one shot...example, the PA1 we have 3 Upper, 1 Lower, 4 Pads, and all the arrangments parts, plus thr Drums, for a total of 16 Midi channel, we also know, PA1 has 2 MIDI I/O, then I am disapointed with Oasys on that respect...., and I do not know, if I got it, but a midi controler would not make much difference.... :cry:
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mozartella wrote:I was also so surprised, the Oasys can't truly record 16 Midi channel
With Multi REC enabled, you should be able to record on all 16 channels simultaneously.

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danatkorg wrote:
mozartella wrote:I was also so surprised, the Oasys can't truly record 16 Midi channel
With Multi REC enabled, you should be able to record on all 16 channels simultaneously.

- Dan
Dan I am sorry, you CAN'T....I know the Multi REC function, and, if I load a combi, where all the 16 timbres are ON, and just, please explain me how to have 16 timbres, without any Karma, and be able to MULTI REC each of them into a Midi channel? I did not, yet, find a way.......I should be able to REC, sorry, only ONE timbre on ONE Midi channel, because, if I would love to listen to the 16 differents Midi channel, at the same time, I can't do it...If you really like to REC 16 Midi channel, bypassing the KARMA and Modules , you would, into Global, assign, 01, and timbre on 01, would be recorded, and the next timbre on the next Midi channel 02, then yes you still can record it, but, you could no hear what you just recorded on the 01, or the others channels......but, you must go back into Global to, each time re-assign the Global MIDI channel......Or, do you know how to record 16 timbres, on 16 Midi channel and be able to, listen to all of them at the same times? I had given to Stephen the example, if I do split the keyboard into 16 zones, and apply 16 timbres, into 16 different Midi channels, sorry, I can only listen to the one fixed into GLOBAL, no more.....I hope I miss something, if not, I am very sad, that an OASYS can't REC 16 channels at the same time.... I again say, if I use 4 modules and a timbre alone, I would be able to REC 5 MIDI channel, and if I use 4 modules with 3 timbres each, and the GCh, that is telling something ? Gch, with 4 timbres, the Oasys, and or an external sequencer stand alone, would only pick-up 5 midi channel..... OR, could you tell me also, how to rout the PADS into differents Midi channels? and be able to,listen to them LIVE ?

thanks would t be nice to implement into the Oasys software, a way to truly REC 16 midi channel on one shot....without beeing into Karma mode, or module mode....

Sure I miss something but what?

thanks you, and my apologize if I make a mistake.....
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mozartella wrote:
danatkorg wrote:
mozartella wrote:I was also so surprised, the Oasys can't truly record 16 Midi channel
With Multi REC enabled, you should be able to record on all 16 channels simultaneously.

- Dan
Dan I am sorry, you CAN'T....
I think we may be talking about different things.

Multi REC allows you to record all 16 MIDI channels simultaneously.
For instance, you can:
* Record a 16-channel MIDI sequence from a computer sequencer, all at once
* Record multi-channel output from external MIDI controllers

I am sorry, but I have read your comments several times, and I still cannot understand parts of them.

If you like, please write it a different way, and I'll try to help.

I would suggest:
* write very short sentences
* separate ideas by lines or bullet points
* use concrete examples:
* which mode are you in? (e.g., COMBI, SEQ, etc.)
* name specific Combis or Programs that you use
* describe operations step-by-step
* describe the general setup (e.g., OASYS alone, OASYS with a computer sequencer, etc.)
* describe your desired results specifically (e.g., "I want to play the piano on the right side of the keyboard, and the bass on the left side of the keyboard")

I can help with one question in particular:
mozartella wrote:OR, could you tell me also, how to rout the PADS into differents Midi channels? and be able to,listen to them LIVE ?
Use the Pad MIDI channel, in Combi and Sequencer modes. Each Pad can be assigned to a different MIDI channel, if you wish.

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danatkorg wrote:
mozartella wrote:
danatkorg wrote: With Multi REC enabled, you should be able to record on all 16 channels simultaneously.

- Dan
Dan I am sorry, you CAN'T....
I think we may be talking about different things.

Multi REC allows you to record all 16 MIDI channels simultaneously.
For instance, you can:
* Record a 16-channel MIDI sequence from a computer sequencer, all at once
* Record multi-channel output from external MIDI controllers

I am sorry, but I have read your comments several times, and I still cannot understand parts of them.


Ok, sorry Dan, my english is not perfect, but commenting on your "For instance, you can:
* Record a 16-channel MIDI sequence from a computer sequencer, all at once
* Record multi-channel output from external MIDI controllers


I understand I can Record from a computer sequencer, all at once, or I can record multi-channel output from external Midi controllers..., then now, how can I , for instance, RECORD 16 Midi track from OASYS and simultaneously into it's own sequencer, ON 16 Midi channel, without the help of an external either sequencer or midi controller...? just by itself.....by OASYS Alone.....? HOW please.....

thanks you.....


* describe your desired results specifically (e.g., "I want to play the piano on the right side of the keyboard, and the bass on the left side of the keyboard") and be able to record these 2 timbre into 2 Midi channel, without the Combi or Karma mode....and these 2 timbres must be on 2 different Midi channel.....

I can help with one question in particular:
mozartella wrote:OR, could you tell me also, how to rout the PADS into differents Midi channels? and be able to,listen to them LIVE ?
Use the Pad MIDI channel, in Combi and Sequencer modes. Each Pad can be assigned to a different MIDI channel, if you wish.

Yes I do now, we can, but, did you tried to REC theses differents PADs into differents Midi channel simultaneousoly? could you truly hear all of thems?

- thanks again....

my dear Dan, I just received an email from PILGRIM, and I am just understanding now, the very big difference, beetween a sequencer track, a midi track and a Midi Port...Sorry but, I never knew what was the difference...

Then, if, if I got it, when REC with OASYS, it would just use a PORT not 16 PORTs simultaneously, it could but, from OASYS I can't listen to more then one port.............and, when Oasys is having 16 Timbres, that is on a sequencer track, not on 16 midi track
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mozartella wrote:I understand I can Record from a computer sequencer, all at once, or I can record multi-channel output from external Midi controllers..., then now, how can I , for instance, RECORD 16 Midi track from OASYS and simultaneously into it's own sequencer, ON 16 Midi channel, without the help of an external either sequencer or midi controller...? just by itself.....by OASYS Alone.....? HOW please.....
Hi Mozartella,
When the OASYS is in MultiRec mode, it is listening for MIDI events on all 16 channels and will record what ever comes through those 16 MIDI channels simultaneously.

Now, this means that you will need to have some MIDI source that generates that many channels of MIDI information. If you use just the OASYS alone, then the keyboard can be set to one MIDI channel, Karma can be set to use 4 additional MIDI channels, the pads can be configured to use 8 separate MIDI channels (so that's a total of 1+4+8 = 13 MIDI channels used so far). If you split the OASYS keyboard into 4 separate zones, then you have one zone which was already used so 13 + the 3 remaining zones, which will result in 16 MIDI channel data being generated by the OASYS. However, when posing such questions, you should keep the practicality of the question in mind, why would you want to do such a thing in the first place? :wink:

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mozartella wrote:"I want to play the piano on the right side of the keyboard, and the bass on the left side of the keyboard") and be able to record these 2 timbre into 2 Midi channel, without the Combi or Karma mode....and these 2 timbres must be on 2 different Midi channel.....
As long as there is a keyboard split, you can record and then end up with the piano and bass on two separate tracks. It's easy to record a performance on the split sound; separating the two sounds onto separate tracks takes a few more steps.

To create the split:

1. Go to Sequencer mode.
2. Create a new, blank Song.
3. Select an acoustic bass Program for Track 1.
4. Select a piano Program for Track 2.
5. Press the MIDI Filter/Zones tab.
6. Select the Keyboard Zones tab.
You should now be on the P3: MIDI Filter/Zones - Keyboard Zones page.
7. Select the Top Key parameter for Track 1.
8. Hold down the ENTER button.
9. While holding ENTER, play B3 on the keyboard.
10. Release the ENTER button.
11. Select the Bottom Key parameter for Track 2.
12. Repeat steps 8-10 to set the Bottom Key to C4.
13. Press the Track Parameter tab.
14. Select the MIDI tab.
You should now be on the P2: Track Parameters - MIDI page.
15. Set Track 2's MIDI Channel to 1.

You now have a piano/bass split, on the same MIDI channel.
(You could also have copied a Combi with a split, if there was one that you liked.)
You can now play the split from the keyboard by setting the Keyboard Track to either Track 1 or Track 2.

A handy trick:

1. Go to the Control Surface page.
On the right side of the page, under Mixer Knobs, there is a check-box labeled "Link KBD REC Trk to Ctrl Surface."
2. Press the check-box, so that it is on.

Now, you can change the KBD track just by pressing the Control Surface SELECT buttons.

To record yourself playing the split:

1. Record-enable Track 1.
(You could also record-enable Track 2, since it's on the same MIDI channel.)
You do NOT need to enable Multi REC.
2. Record into the sequencer, as usual. Play on both sides of the split.
You now have a recording of both sounds, on the same MIDI track.
Note that you can adjust volumes, effects settings, EQ, etc. independently for the two sounds.
If you just want to use the recording as-is, then you don't need to do anything else.

If you want to do a lot of separate editing on the bass and piano, then it may be convenient to have each on a separate track in the sequencer. To do this:

1. Go to the Track Edit page.
2. Select Track 1 (the one on which you recorded).
You can use the on-screen menu or the Control Surface, or you can touch the tiny little blue "1" with your fingernail...
3. Set the From Measure parameter to the start of the song.
4. Set the To End of Measure parameter to the end of the song.
5. Open the Page Menu, and select the Copy Track command.
A dialog box appears.
6. Set the From MIDI Track parameter to 1.
7. Set the To MIDI Track parameter to 2.
Press OK.
Now, you have copied the MIDI data on Track 1 to Track 2.
Next, you'll delete the bass notes from the piano track, and the piano notes from the bass track.
8. Make sure that Track 1 (the bass track) is still selected.
9. Open the Page Menu, and select the Shift/Erase Note command.
A dialog box appears.
10. Set the Note Range: Bottom parameter to B3.
You can use the ENTER + keyboard trick from above.
11. Leave the Note Range: Top parameter at the default of G9.
12. Enable the Erase Note check-box at the bottom of the dialog box.
13. Press OK.
This erases all of the piano notes from the bass track.
Next, we'll do the same for the piano track.
14. Select Track 2.
15. Repeat steps 9-13, but this time set the Note Range: Bottom parameter to the minimum value (C-1), and the Note Range: Top parameter to B3.
After pressing OK, you'll have the MIDI data for the bass on Track 1, and the MIDI data for the piano on Track 2.
mozartella wrote:
mozartella wrote:OR, could you tell me also, how to rout the PADS into differents Midi channels? and be able to,listen to them LIVE ?
dan wrote:Use the Pad MIDI channel, in Combi and Sequencer modes. Each Pad can be assigned to a different MIDI channel, if you wish.
mozartella wrote:Yes I do now, we can, but, did you tried to REC theses differents PADs into differents Midi channel simultaneousoly? could you truly hear all of thems?
Yes, I just tried this:
* assign a drum Program on track 1.
* assign different Programs to tracks 2 through 9.
* assign each track to its own MIDI channel, 1 through 9.
* assign the 8 pads to MIDI channels 2 through 9.
* enable Multi REC
* set each of tracks 1-9 to Record
* recorded, in a single pass, onto all 9 tracks, playing on the keyboard and pads

It worked correctly.

- Dan
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my dear sweetie Dan,

THAT is a master explanation, made by a Master Dan, and thanks you, and going to try it later on..... First print it. It would be so nice to have your explanation into the Oasys book, but, on another way, I do enjoy reading Live, your comment....

Also, your presentation is neat, and easy to follow...I got the message, for next time

many thanks, Olivia
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elvisjohndowson wrote:
mozartella wrote:I understand I can Record from a computer sequencer, all at once, or I can record multi-channel output from external Midi controllers..., then now, how can I , for instance, RECORD 16 Midi track from OASYS and simultaneously into it's own sequencer, ON 16 Midi channel, without the help of an external either sequencer or midi controller...? just by itself.....by OASYS Alone.....? HOW please.....
Hi Mozartella,
When the OASYS is in MultiRec mode, it is listening for MIDI events on all 16 channels and will record what ever comes through those 16 MIDI channels simultaneously.

Now, this means that you will need to have some MIDI source that generates that many channels of MIDI information. If you use just the OASYS alone, then the keyboard can be set to one MIDI channel, Karma can be set to use 4 additional MIDI channels, the pads can be configured to use 8 separate MIDI channels (so that's a total of 1+4+8 = 13 MIDI channels used so far). If you split the OASYS keyboard into 4 separate zones, then you have one zone which was already used so 13 + the 3 remaining zones, which will result in 16 MIDI channel data being generated by the OASYS. However, when posing such questions, you should keep the practicality of the question in mind, why would you want to do such a thing in the first place? :wink:

Elvis Dowson
Elvis thanks for your advise, and, in fact I did tried it last night, and was to tired to write back, to you.....

Why I like to be able to manipulate some tracks, who are all recorded into one Midi track ? easy, I love to make either subtle change, drastic change, muting, exploding maybe, changing some effects, who knows....a part of a timbre who is already inserted into , say a module, containing 5 differents timbres...And, as you know, when recording Karma, when on one midi channel, we are just able to REC one timbre not all timbres who are embedded into that midi track, this is why, I am looking for a different solution...Stephen told me to duplicate from a module the 4 out of 5 timbres into different midi channel, and, when I would have made my change, re insert them into the midi channle they where previously recorded......

But, what I would also love to understand, where to look on the Oasys, to find from a recorded module, using say 5 timbres, where and in witch file or sysex to look for the CC# 0 and CC# 32 of each timbre....because, only one is recorded, but, we can listen to all the 5 of them after having, saved the song ? that, if you can explain to me would be excellent....

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