Korg Radias vs. Access Virus TI—an unfair comparison . . .

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Hi, Rezfactor (et al)
Am enjoying this thread being the proud papa of both RadiasK and Virus Polar. I do realize this is a RADIAS FORUM :D

If you've come up for air, wanted to reply to your question of which sequencer to use on the computer. There are actually only a few recommended in the manual (the slim part about the "TI").

I'm with you - I'm loathe to plug my hardware synths into my PC. BUT to even move patches around in the Polar you have to use a 3rd party "sequencer" to host the Virus software. I got a pretty good/cheap version of FruityLoops and works pretty good.

I'm with you, the asthetics got me - and that cool wooden strip under the keybed -- oohlaalaa :!: You'll have no trouble using a controler on it, esp to get the most out of multi mode on this shortie.

I would be very torn but guess I would pick my RADIAS if had to take just one to a desert island. It's just more eclectic and it just right for my programming learning curve.

Cheers!
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waytho:

Thanks for your comments—yes, I am loving it! I feel so guilty here, getting SO excited over my non-Korg product, yapping endlessly about it here on KORGFORUMS.com. But this is a GREAT forum with GREAT people! I think it's actually this very forum that lead me to my Virus purchase in the first place, ironically enough.

So, a happy ending. I have one of the best-sounding synths on the market, AND I have a Radias (wait, that didn't come out quite right). What I meant was, had I bought the Virus first, I would've never considered the Radias, let alone, throw another $1,000 at another VA synth. But I'm glad I have it now (the Radias). I have MUCH to learn! TWO sophisticated VA synths to learn how to program! I'm having so much fun, it's getting to the point of synth-overload! Now, when I enter my studio, I feel like I'm the only guy at a party where there are three super-hot chicks there, and they all WANT me!

For those of you reading this thread, deciding whether to buy a Radias or not, it's a great machine that, I'm sure, has a lot potential that lies beneath the superficial "overall brightness" of its factory-presets' character. But for those of you willing to spend the money, the Virus TI really does sound amazing—it's WORTH IT. When I first noticed the little white Virus TI Polar at Guitar Center, I laughed to myself, thinking, "Who in the hell is going to pay $3,000 for THAT dinky little thing?" I'm not laughing now. It's the most "gutsy," "ballsey," "rip-your-head-off-and-stick-it-up-your-ass" sounding synth I've ever played. All the patches sound very "deep" and very "textured." Its sounds cut though a mix like a razor blade (although, the Radias also cuts through a mix quite nicely—perhaps more like "scissors.").

That said, as waytho mentioned, the Radias is probably where I'll get my subtractive synthesis chops down first. The Radias UI seems a bit more "accessable" than the Access Virus TI, and I'm dying to master the Radias' powerful and more easily manipulated arpeggios (you can't edit the Virus' arps in hardware, right?), mod- and step-sequencer programming features. And to add to that, the Radias is definitely, "FUN," which is another big reason why I bought it.
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Wow! This stuff is BETTER than CRACK! I feel like a 14-year-old kid that just got an X-Box Elite, a PS3, a Nintendo Wii, a 50" 1080p LCD, and every game ever made for each system!
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Timo wrote:Deep breaths.

In.......
...and out....

In.....
.......and out..

:)

:lol:
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Thanks, guys. Well, I ran all over town to buy a Yamaha MG102C mixer yesterday so I could at least monitor all my new synths. It has 4 stereo TRS inputs, plus a bunch of other stuff.

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But then I realized, since I'm using the Fantom-X8 as my multitrack audio recorder, I only need to get stuff into my Fantom. So, to take advantage of the Virus' S/PDIF output, I took that directly into the S/PDIF input on the Fantom. Then I took the TRS out from the Radias, and sent that into the Fantom's analog L/R inputs. So, now I can record both instruments into the Fantom. But, I can't play both the Radias and the Virus simultaneously, since I have to make a menu switch to select either S/PDIF or analog L/R as my sole external input on the Fantom.
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with such a gear?!? now you should get a nice audio interface, connect it to a nice computer and start working with DAW such as "pro tools", "cubase" ... that's the way to do it right :wink:
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botega wrote:with such a gear?!? now you should get a nice audio interface, connect it to a nice computer and start working with DAW such as "pro tools", "cubase" ... that's the way to do it right :wink:
hehe so true =D>
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Hey, guys! It's ONLY for monitoring! I actually plan to get a Mac mini JUST to manage my libraries for the Virus (not as a DAW). I'm all PCs now, and I'm sick of all the consant WindowsXP system crashes. And my systems are fairly clean, too. So, don't worry, someday, I'll build a serious DAW workstation with the fastest Mac on the planet, and like a billion gigs of RAM.
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rezfactor wrote: don't worry, someday, I'll build a serious DAW workstation with the fastest Mac on the planet, and like a billion gigs of RAM.
well...2.80GHz 448MB of RAM would be enough for a start...

what is it? are you planning to launch a space shuttle ??
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No, but I'm eventually going to have to feed my other obsession—making movies. You thought music gear was expensive? Try filmmaking! In a few months, I'll be shooting a lot of 4K-resolution HD material with a new digital cinema camera called RED. In 4K, that's about 8x the resolution of standard 1080 HD. That's a huge amount of bits to push through a system, even when compressed, using Apple Final Cut Pro's new HD "ProRes 422" CODEC. You basically need the fastest Mac on the planet to run it, plus about 8GB of RAM, and a few terabytes of storage.
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Did a bit of video editing last year, normal UK PAL resolution (720x576) at 25i - took up 100Gb on disk for 3hrs worth of footage and the final cut, and even that was compressed AVI (slightly lossy). Did it all on a 2GHz PentiumM (single core) laptop, and it only just about scraped through. Add any effects like the SteadyMove or Twixtor stuff, particularly the latter, and it turned 30 seconds of footage into a 30 minute render.

I can only imagine HiDef would take eons to render, and oodles of disk space to store, and a lot of hair to pull out.

I got VERY good at playing FreeCell (best winning streak was 24 games!).

My advice, get as many cores for your CPU as possible. The new Intel 3.0GHz Quad Core 2 look pretty tasty. A snip at £650 (for just the CPU!), although I guess it'd be a lot less in the USofA.
The 45nm Wolfdale/Yorkfield (successor to the 65nm Kentsfield) is just around the corner, too.

And don't do it on a laptop. It just about killed mine.

But I digress.

If you have the cash, a nice multi-channel interface such as a Motu Traveller or RME Fireface would probably work well for you if you wanted to bypass a mixer. Then you can plumb it all into your PC/Mac for tracking it down or processing various channels. Adding a Behringer ADA8000 or similar would further increase the analogue i/o via ADAT.
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Back on topic, yes the Virus has an excellent and exceptionally smooth sound quality. Personally I absolutely love the way it interpolates between knob values, it's beautiful. Additionally the modulation sources/destinations are very comprehensive.

In a few ways I think the Radias, feature wise, was sometimes emulating aspects of the Virus. Such as the unison detuned spread across the panorama, the pulsed "punch" parameter in the amp section, sync and ring on Osc2, waveshaping prior to the filter/amp, the mod matrix, etc. The 24-voice poly would put it in the realms of the kB/Indigo.

But the Radias takes a tangent away from the Virus in very different aspects. The drums, the mod sequences, the multi-channel effects, the PCMs, the Unison oscillator, even down to very little niceties such as the extensive shaping of the LFOs, the almost pulse-width (split-wave phase/sync) waveform modulation of the main oscillators not limited to just the square/pulse, and the curves on the decay/release phases of EGs.
Stuff that's impossible on the virus.

I think they work very well together, as each has different strengths and weaknesses.

I just wish there were perhaps more modulation sources/destinations on the Radias, and that the sound was fatter/ballsier, like the MS-20 demo CD I tried that was bundled with the Radias. Whoa!! If only I was more VSTi-oriented. :|

Overall the way I'd describe the Radias is an exceptionally competent electribe, and almost do away with the Radias vs Virus comparison entirely, as they sound so different and they're completely different machines on the GUI/tweaking front.
Unknown Sound wrote:Oh, and don't forget the Step Sequencers and PCM Drums on the RADIAS. Now there's something the Virus can't do.
Incidently, that is exactly the sort of thing I've been doing with Radias a lot recently: plugging my virus or similar into the audio inputs of the Radias and working modulation sequences on the signal, while overdubbing with a Radias bassline and drums. If the mod seqs processing the incoming audio is programmed around or complimenting the other parts (such as drums) it really helps them gel together without resorting to stuff like bussing and compressing. Sounds a bit more professional when you're banging away live while improvising making dance type stuff, too, as the seq's draw the incoming audio bang-on into sync (I'm really sloppy at keeping rock solid timing. If some people for the life of them can't play football due to having two left legs [me included], then at music I must have two left hands, as well!).

Had some nice "Jesper - Requiem" type stuff coming out from the virus last night after pumping it into the Radias via the mod sequencers with further tape echo and limiting from the radias effects along with a few drums on a separate timbre.

Haven't got a computer presently (it [a laptop] blew up - no doubt from over-stressing it by doing the video processing last year!) so unfortunately can't record it! Gaaaaaah.
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Timo wrote:Back on topic, yes the Virus has an excellent and exceptionally smooth sound quality. Personally I absolutely love the way it interpolates between knob values, it's beautiful. Additionally the modulation sources/destinations are very comprehensive.
Cool!
Timo wrote:Stuff that's impossible on the virus.
Good to know!
Timo wrote:Incidently, that is exactly the sort of thing I've been doing with Radias a lot recently: plugging my virus or similar into the audio inputs of the Radias and working modulation sequences on the signal, while overdubbing with a Radias bassline and drums . . . Had some nice "Jesper - Requiem" type stuff coming out from the virus last night after pumping it into the Radias via the mod sequencers with further tape echo and limiting from the radias effects along with a few drums on a separate timbre.
Wow! that sounds really interesting! That sounds really, really cool what you're doing with your Virus and your Radias. I didn't realize I could do that—use the Radias' modulation sequencers using the Virus as an input, but duh, yeah, I guess you can. I can't wait to try out that sort of stuff with my Radias! Sounds really fun! And a good use of the combination of each synth's strengths.

I'm remodeling my "studio/office" in my house as we speak. I'm putting up these cool aluminum brackets used for commercial retail displays (rakks.com) to hold up these huge gray-aluminum trimmed Ikea countertops that I'm going to use as desks. The Radias will sit above my Fantom, right on the bracket themselves for a real sleek installation (will post pictures when finished tomorrow, hopefully). Not sure where the Virus is going yet. Right now, my whole synth set-up is sitting on top of the boxes they all came in!
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Another thing, the Virus has been out for eons (1997/8?), and there have been plenty of great sound programmers for it over the years, therefore an established catalog of presets have been built up.

But believe me, it's exceptionally easy to make the Virus sound crap/cheesy!

The Radias hasn't been out that long, consequently the presets are few and not entirely demonstrative of the Radias' full capabilities. It's still fresh meat.
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