Very nice Korg resource cut off???

[Mike Conway]

Charlie, you are correct in your understanding. Reading that post, I can tell you that the author was not sure, himself. Again, I think that Japan pulls the final strings on what can or won't be implemented. What he's saying is that if something is possible, then it will be announced, otherwise, don't expect anything.

Korg has always been anal about keeping info tight to their vest. They won't comment, one way or the other, until it passes. Technically, the door isn't shut, but if Jerry verifies that, it could start a frenzy of expectation and possibly a bigger disappointment, if nothing is delivered.

I'm comfortable with the fact that anything is possible, though I won't be expecting anything. I will say that if ANYTHING materializes, say 8 way zone switching or 24 bit HDR recording (as coded in Kronos), then there would be some happy people. I can only encourage Korg that such a move would go far in pleasing a significant customer base.

[ozy]

"We constantly get ideas/suggestions/requests for more features for the OASYS, but we cannot promise that any of these can be delivered."For me - and please keep in mind I'm not a native English speaker -

Schliemann was not a Ancient Greek native speaker either.

But he read between the lines and integrated the scant available text with THOUGHT.

What I mean is: you gotta take language for its context as well.

If you are in a foxhole, and your buddy cries "duck", you take it at face value, and duck!

If you go to a cheap and filthy Chinese restaurant in Gaza, and the waiter says "duck!", you first check it's not a 15year old pigeon, THEN you maybe eat it, after careful consideration.

If you dine with mr Katoh and are one of his financers, and he says "we try, not sure we'll be able to do something new"... well, it probably means "we'll try, since you really want it and you grab me by the balls".

If a used car salesman says to a client "nothing is foreseeable, but of course we are open to the customers's requests",

once you depurate it from the formal courtesy, it's "no way".

But enough with ermeneutics.

Did you get any good oasys update after 2009? No?

then the communique means "no".

[Hedegaard]

It dosen't take much analysis into linguistics to understand a:
"no, nothing will ever come to your Oasys, be it software or hardware".

Instead we get a similar: "Only if something becomes available, will you hear about it"

We just want, now, a YES or a NO.

Ozy, if you worked for Korg R&D, then your answer would suffice, but you're not affiliated with Korg, so your answer is yet another speculation and a very thoroughly enjoyable read too by the way, but alas, not official.

We're not trying to be rude about it either, I think 99% of us here write very friendly towards Dan, Jerry e.t.c. so it can't be seen as offensive to them to ask(?)
(unless I missed someones rude post somewhere)

[ozy]

We just want, now, a YES or a NO.

Ozy, if you worked for Korg R&D, then your answer would suffice, but you're not affiliated with Korg, so your answer is yet another speculation

this means that, if you are in a foxhole and your comrade cries "duck",

you first ask confirmation to the enemy before ducking?

And if the enemy says "didn't really make my mind yet, maybe yes, maybe I shot at you, but... don't take that as anything hostile, stay there and wait for what's coming, right?",

you stay there and wait for the bullet?

Well, suits you: stay there and keep hoping the bullet isn't incoming, since "the enemy won't confirm it".

Who are your comrades and the reality, after all? What they know? The enemy is the only one who REALLY knows.

metaphors apart:

a) the statement is ambiguous but 80% biased to "no". It's all in negative terms except "maybe will listen to you" (some promise...). Hear the menace of firing?

b) reality says "no" (nothing since 2009). hear the bullet flying?

c) what's missing? A corporation admitting she's screwed you?

Keep waiting for them to admit it. Keep waiting for the Japanese ceremony of regret, with managers bowing in humiliation... Yeah, right.

BTW: If I'm allowed a friendly comment,

in your expectations of Dad talking to you in clear terms, and "not in those ambiguous words the Adults always use with us teenagers, those traitors [pout here]",

you start sounding like Akos

[thekeymaster]

I can't believe you guys are still debating this,the OASYS ceased being catered for in 2009.

Now lets come forward to 2011, they took the best from OASYS, added to it and made Kronos. Regardless of the word "Open" and the advertising blub "years to come" just because there isn't a definitive "No, there will be no more software updates" you are still seeking closure.

I thought the majority of people in this forum were experienced players and buyers of musical equipment. Do you not understand the word discontinued?

The OASYS was discontinued in 2009 in its physical from and in its software form.The fact that Korg took it's OS and placed it into another board does not mean the OASYS still has rights to its own OS,that OS has now become Kronos.It's not difficult to fathom.

Or am I missing something here.

[ozy]

what did they ever do for us?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

[Megakazbek]

We just want, now, a YES or a NO.

What makes you think that such answer exists?
They already said: "We constantly get ideas/suggestions/requests for more features for the OASYS, but we cannot promise that any of these can be delivered.". So it is pretty clear statement that you must not expect anything, ever. But how the hell can they know if they will NOT make updates for sure? Maybe some critical bug will be found, or maybe it will be easy enough to port some things from Kronos, or whatever other strange events may happen, no one can predict future, not even Korg.
Why "we don't promise anything" is not enough answer for you?

[ozy]

Why "we don't promise anything" is not enough answer for you?

because in its tone it is a patronizing and irritating answer.

It's the tone of Dad answering to Peter begging for a new red bicicle, conditioned to a good score in Maths, not the answer of a serious firm to a top-class client who has paid for a product.

I have just criticized the juvenile attitude of the Oasys crowd, which begs for attention by Dad Korg,

but I must aknowledge that the Korg communique is press-office mumbo jumbo at its worst.

The Oasys Disgruntled crowd should stiff its collective upper lip, take the loss and move on,

Korg should just f*ck off - and get its act together.

(which means: don't even think trying the same joke with the Kronos)

The former are self-deluded teenagers,

the latter have behaved like deadbeat dads who drink the son's college fund.

The sooner both side recognize the harsh reality

- Korg didn't keep its promises because it hasn't got the money to do it -

the sooner this nonsensical debate will end.

[PS: I am in this discussion because: the Oasys crowd may not remember, but the M3 crowd has been complaining of unfinished software for some time, while the Oasys-istes's sneered. Sorry for telling you "we told you so"...]

[Akos Janca]

I believe Korg employees have a NDA, they are not allowed to comment present or future plans. That's fine.

Somehow they still could announce the hw discontinuation on the forum. (But they did it nowhere else - OASYS is displayed on Korg's websites as a current product). So, I think that forum announcement wasn't official - rather an unusual and friendly step as Dan mentioned.

Q: Then why they can't make another unofficial remark about OASYS sw? Based on the above I don't think the NDA forbids it.

[TonyGen]

I read Dan's message when it was originally posted. I took it as meaning Korg was happy to stick two fingers's up (or one finger to those living in the USA) to high end customers despite requiring them to fork out an inflated price for buying into the future proof Mega Workstation called Oasys.

Nothing has changed to alter that view. Difficult business decisions, economic situation, blah, blah, blah......

I love my Oasys and it was kinda worth it if it was really "Open", "Future Proof" and "One of a kind". But instead of justifyng my faith in Korg's highly priced flagship and finding something for the function button to do and providing EXf (whatever that was supposed to be), they were busy working on Kronos. So not one more penny of TonyGen money will be spent on Korg equipment.

Those who are happy with that situation...that's your choice and I'm glad for you.

Just don't expect me to be as contented

[Hedegaard]

It would have been nice if Korg decided:

"Look, our dear Oasys users, you are the people that paid top dollar for one of our instruments, that we didn't produce very many of.
We wanted to do a whole lot more for the Oasys and consequently for you as our most valued privat consumer customers, but unfortunately we cannot, because of the finance crisis e.t.c.
We would like to compensate, somehow for this, but lack the resources right now to do so.
"

As Oasys users, we're the top-notch customers, the price paid for the Oasys was roughly 3 times more than other synths on the market at the time.
Surely, we deserve some credit.
And totaly absurd that now, as a result of the Kronos, some Oasys users, are directly chased away.
It dosen't make sense, because they're chasing away potential future customers who were willing at that time to pay 3 times more for a synth.
So I should suspect, they'd do what they can to keep that customer base.

[Davidb]

As Oasys users, we're the top-notch customers, the price paid for the Oasys was roughly 3 times more than other synths on the market at the time.
Surely, we deserve some credit.
And totaly absurd that now, as a result of the Kronos, some Oasys users, are directly chased away.
It dosen't make sense, because they're chasing away potential future customers who were willing at that time to pay 3 times more for a synth.
So I should suspect, they'd do what they can to keep that customer base.

Well... It seems as we see, that Korg thinks different.


Futhermore, push limit:
They *can not* provide, just an answer, a simple and plain one, to those users.

Again, every one can get their own conclusions and decissions about being a Korg customer again in the future.

I´ve already made mine.

[ozy]

why they can't make another unofficial remark about OASYS sw?

Here it is.

This is an unofficial remark.

We've been on Korgforums. Yes, we feel you pain. No, we just can't promise we won't do anything detrimental to the past and future value of all our products, be them current or discontinued, in the best interest of all parties involved.

I am not speaking for Korg in any official manner, but I think I correctly represent the mood in my office.

Ben F. Pierce
Director of Research
Home Entertainment Logistics Dept
Korg Corea Inc.

now, is that enough, Akos?

I think they said "yes" (and/or "no") in a straightforward manner.

I'm comfortable with the fact that anything is possible, though I won't be expecting anything.

Yossarian was not immediately available for comment on this.

[danatkorg]

Q: Then why they can't make another unofficial remark about OASYS sw?

I thought that I just did so. In the original message of discontinuation, there was no intent to distinguish between hardware and software.

[Akos Janca]

Q: Then why they can't make another unofficial remark about OASYS sw?

I thought that I just did so. In the original message of discontinuation, there was no intent to distinguish between hardware and software.

It's clear now. Thank you.