JAPAN's Earthquake...
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Actually, for the record, the OP wondered " . . . if this devastation in Japan would affect the production of KRONOS units."Rob Sherratt wrote:With thousands dead in Japan and tens of thousands who lost their homes and livelihood, I'd like to re-focus the thread on the OP's desire to show our sympathy and support for the families in Japan who need our help right now.
Yes, we should be focusing on the loss of lives, the destruction of property, and the omnipresent likelihood of even more devastation to come. No, we should not be focusing on production schedules.
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AmenLougheed wrote:Actually, for the record, the OP wondered " . . . if this devastation in Japan would affect the production of KRONOS units."
Yes, we should be focusing on the loss of lives, the destruction of property, and the omnipresent likelihood of even more devastation to come. No, we should not be focusing on production schedules.
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According to TEPCo, the hourly radiation from the reactor unit 3 reached 400,000 μSv shortly after the explosion this morning, but is now at a level between 2,400 μSv and 11,900 μSv.
These are horrible numbers!
Unfortunately the situation seems to get even worse: Government speaker Edano has stated that reactors 5 and 6 have problem with cooling, too.
In nature the normal radiation is something around 0.03 µSv per hour.
In 1986, due to the disaster in Tschernobyl, we had temporarily a radiation of 2 µSv per hour in the south of Germany (~1,500 km away from Tschernobyl) which was seen as very critical so that food (vegetables, milk, etc) from that area was devastated and children shouldn't play outside the home. Today, 25 years later it is still hazardous to health if you collect and eat mushrooms or eat meat from the hunt.
What I really don't understand is the fact that China completely ignores what happens in Japan and just launched nuclear energy projects with a combined generation capacity of 40 million kw.
These are horrible numbers!
Unfortunately the situation seems to get even worse: Government speaker Edano has stated that reactors 5 and 6 have problem with cooling, too.
In nature the normal radiation is something around 0.03 µSv per hour.
In 1986, due to the disaster in Tschernobyl, we had temporarily a radiation of 2 µSv per hour in the south of Germany (~1,500 km away from Tschernobyl) which was seen as very critical so that food (vegetables, milk, etc) from that area was devastated and children shouldn't play outside the home. Today, 25 years later it is still hazardous to health if you collect and eat mushrooms or eat meat from the hunt.
What I really don't understand is the fact that China completely ignores what happens in Japan and just launched nuclear energy projects with a combined generation capacity of 40 million kw.
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Radiation levels in Tokyo surged to 23 times normal (0,8 μSv), and is commented by the government as not critical. Since this is only the beginning and there wasn't even a rainfall, this is very critical! 
Just a comparison:
During 1986 (Tschernobyl) we had an average value of 0,38 μSv (and 0,08 μSv in 1987) in the "critical" parts of Germany which stimulated the anti-nuclear movement in Germany.
Just a comparison:
During 1986 (Tschernobyl) we had an average value of 0,38 μSv (and 0,08 μSv in 1987) in the "critical" parts of Germany which stimulated the anti-nuclear movement in Germany.
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A former ZDF (German TV station with high news standards) Japan correspondent has sharply critisized the official Japanese inormation politics.
Due to a constant public lack of (for some available!) actual information, he said, the only choice for the public has become heavy speculation, and meanwhile that means always assuming the worst, while confronted with the deafening silence in midst of an extremely critical situation.
This information politics MUST change, to handle at least what is possible, in this breathtaking dangerous moment!
I wished that Japanese technicians together with international techology teams could find a way for cooling to prevent core meltdowns and deeply wish them all the best.
Due to a constant public lack of (for some available!) actual information, he said, the only choice for the public has become heavy speculation, and meanwhile that means always assuming the worst, while confronted with the deafening silence in midst of an extremely critical situation.
This information politics MUST change, to handle at least what is possible, in this breathtaking dangerous moment!
I wished that Japanese technicians together with international techology teams could find a way for cooling to prevent core meltdowns and deeply wish them all the best.
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I have been watching live streams from NHK's English TV service, and they are airing news conferences as they happen. IMO a lot of vital information is being released.
Side note:
I am so saddened by the events in Japan. I have no friends there, but the Korg guys - Peter, Stephen, Dan et al - have many, and are very concerned about them. Why not lighten up on the guys and let them have their say without ripping on them at every turn?
Side note:
I am so saddened by the events in Japan. I have no friends there, but the Korg guys - Peter, Stephen, Dan et al - have many, and are very concerned about them. Why not lighten up on the guys and let them have their say without ripping on them at every turn?
News say that the governor of the district Fukushima has desperately asked the whole nation for help.
He also urgently requested the Japanese government to make clear statements finally.
How can we and our governments help the Japanes people?
I'm very sad and concerned to hear that the danger is still critical and rising.
An old Tibetan saying comes to my mind, "you are me", meaning: I could be in your place, and it is our common life.
He also urgently requested the Japanese government to make clear statements finally.
How can we and our governments help the Japanes people?
I'm very sad and concerned to hear that the danger is still critical and rising.
An old Tibetan saying comes to my mind, "you are me", meaning: I could be in your place, and it is our common life.
First of all, I feel exactly the same than you... I lived to East of France (3 kms from Germany borders) and we also got radiation over there for Tchernobyl. So, I'm also worry by watching the news lately for the Japan events. I seriously hope they will secure it quickly, because it could become very very bad and worst than Tchernobyl...orpheus2006 wrote:What I really don't understand is the fact that China completely ignores what happens in Japan and just launched nuclear energy projects with a combined generation capacity of 40 million kw.
Unfortunately, since China is over-producing for the entire world, they do use similar production models than countries such US, Europe, Japan, etc...
It's pretty sad, because that's definitely not the good example to take...
India is doing the same mistake too
Phil
Well, one thing we can be sure of is that in case of a calamity the policy not to release any statements which can create a panic will prevail over any other policy pertaining to the release of information to the public. Basically it's about handing out pacifiers instead of truth.jimknopf wrote:He also urgently requested the Japanese government to make clear statements finally.
Truth usually comes out after the fact when it's too late.
How many Japanese people use smartphones with internet?
And how many have access to private contamination meter values?
Any non-information politics is just a case of pure nonsense in these times.
A government staying unclear in words and actions for many days, while something like a nuclear tragedy becomes the main threat (besides lots of other problems) leads exactly to what they pretend to avoid: the population is assuming the worst DUE to non-information, and panic is spreading, while everyone is losing all trust in such a government. Remember: they already wasted valuable time, many days, this way. For example, how anyone with a brain can bring inhabitants to a shelter 20 km from a possible nuclear meltdown zone for more than a day is simply beyond my understanding.
When the later chancelor Helmut Schmidt faced the big Hamburg flood as major of the town and recognized the amount of danger, he strictly went as far as running the risk to act against government rules and actual laws, calling in the army for help without hesitating and accepted considerable personal risks, for acting resonsible and decided. You need courage and wisdom to decide in critical situations, but avoiding to become responsible and to decide is no way at all.
And how many have access to private contamination meter values?
Any non-information politics is just a case of pure nonsense in these times.
A government staying unclear in words and actions for many days, while something like a nuclear tragedy becomes the main threat (besides lots of other problems) leads exactly to what they pretend to avoid: the population is assuming the worst DUE to non-information, and panic is spreading, while everyone is losing all trust in such a government. Remember: they already wasted valuable time, many days, this way. For example, how anyone with a brain can bring inhabitants to a shelter 20 km from a possible nuclear meltdown zone for more than a day is simply beyond my understanding.
When the later chancelor Helmut Schmidt faced the big Hamburg flood as major of the town and recognized the amount of danger, he strictly went as far as running the risk to act against government rules and actual laws, calling in the army for help without hesitating and accepted considerable personal risks, for acting resonsible and decided. You need courage and wisdom to decide in critical situations, but avoiding to become responsible and to decide is no way at all.
Didn't about about 15,000 people die in France during the heat wave of 2003. How many died from radiation dangers? A few more new plants might be useful for more air conditioning to keep people from getting cooked alive during heat waves. I'm all for better safety of nuke plants, which to me, means replacing the old ones with much better new ones.SpIdErWeB wrote:First of all, I feel exactly the same than you... I lived to East of France (3 kms from Germany borders) and we also got radiation over there for Tchernobyl. So, I'm also worry by watching the news lately for the Japan events. I seriously hope they will secure it quickly, because it could become very very bad and worst than Tchernobyl...orpheus2006 wrote:What I really don't understand is the fact that China completely ignores what happens in Japan and just launched nuclear energy projects with a combined generation capacity of 40 million kw.
Unfortunately, since China is over-producing for the entire world, they do use similar production models than countries such US, Europe, Japan, etc...
It's pretty sad, because that's definitely not the good example to take...
India is doing the same mistake too
Phil
Until this happened I thought a nuke plant made power with the nuclear part. (nuclear energy, kind of misleading for me) I didn't know it was just a big steam generator.
Also note the dignity with which the people there are handling things. I don't see wide spread reports of looting and such, like during and after Katrina here. I am impressed.
I sure pray it is sorted out soon.
Also note the dignity with which the people there are handling things. I don't see wide spread reports of looting and such, like during and after Katrina here. I am impressed.
I sure pray it is sorted out soon.
No, not even. No reactor in the west can be compared to the reactors at Chernobyl. Their designs aren't remotely similar. Chernobyl's reactor used graphite, essentially the same thing as pencil lead, to hold and to some extent cool the uranium rods. Graphite is just carbon. If you get it hot enough, it will burn, and it did. Plus, the Chernobyl reactor had no containment chamber, so when the graphite burned and exploded, the uranium was blasted straight into the atmosphere.SpIdErWeB wrote:I seriously hope they will secure it quickly, because it could become very very bad and worst than Tchernobyl...
Every western reactor is made completely differently, has a massive containment shell around the reactor of steel and concrete, bathes the rods with water not graphite.
Besides, if you're really worried about radiation, you get massive doses at high energy levels from a fusion reactor every day called the Sun. The only shielding we have is air, and we expose ourselves to this huge nuclear explosion every time we go outside in the daytime.
PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!!
Yes, I also am very impressed by the discipline and dignity of the Japanese people in all their suffering.
And I feel deeply moved by the sacrifice of the fifty, who tried to keep Fukushima under control, and by many others. I bow low in front of them all.
Synthguy, you are right about the different reactor types, but you should not underestimate the massive radiation threat, if the worst case scenario can't be prevented within the next 48 hours or less, as all specialists warn. They are now trying to evacuate the whole Fukushima district for good reasons.
Sun radiation is not remotely compatable to this threat, not even after the growing ozone hole which mankind generously has created to destroy our only natural shield.
And I feel deeply moved by the sacrifice of the fifty, who tried to keep Fukushima under control, and by many others. I bow low in front of them all.
Synthguy, you are right about the different reactor types, but you should not underestimate the massive radiation threat, if the worst case scenario can't be prevented within the next 48 hours or less, as all specialists warn. They are now trying to evacuate the whole Fukushima district for good reasons.
Sun radiation is not remotely compatable to this threat, not even after the growing ozone hole which mankind generously has created to destroy our only natural shield.