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PinkFloydDudi, I happen to have a lot of respect for many mainstream artists. There is no doubt that the producers are very good and deliver by far the most "content" of those mainstream songs you hear today. I just can't agree to saying that the perfomers aren't skilled and that autotune is all you hear. I've recorded more than a few vocals over the years and autotune fixes problems, but doesn't make one sing well or sound good, in my personal opinion.

The fact that many/most of these performers are hot surely helps them a lot (same as with many other jobs, in fact, interesting research exists in this direction) but to me it's just all the scarier that they are hot and can perform. Of course I'm not saying they are not all geniuses and many unknown artists are a lot more skilled than some well known ones. That doesn't mean the well known ones are just an autotuned pair of boobs on legs though.

By the way, if you respect Lady Gaga and Adele, you should at the very least give Beyoncé and Alicia Keys another try.

SanderXpander wrote:PinkFloydDudi, I happen to have a lot of respect for many mainstream artists. There is no doubt that the producers are very good and deliver by far the most "content" of those mainstream songs you hear today. I just can't agree to saying that the perfomers aren't skilled and that autotune is all you hear. I've recorded more than a few vocals over the years and autotune fixes problems, but doesn't make one sing well or sound good, in my personal opinion.

The fact that many/most of these performers are hot surely helps them a lot (same as with many other jobs, in fact, interesting research exists in this direction) but to me it's just all the scarier that they are hot and can perform. Of course I'm not saying they are not all geniuses and many unknown artists are a lot more skilled than some well known ones. That doesn't mean the well known ones are just an autotuned pair of boobs on legs though.

By the way, if you respect Lady Gaga and Adele, you should at the very least give Beyoncé and Alicia Keys another try.

Yup Ill give you those 2 as well.

Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Niki Minaj, to some extent Rhianna, Pit Bull, Lil Wayne, Foster the People, LMFAO, Gym Class Heroes, REBECA BLACK!....

In any of those I just mentioned - what do you think the musical "skill" is with them or with that band?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDebwTnsud0 - Katy Perry actually singing. There is a reason most people lipsync these days! Compare that to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYpUavuA ... re=related. Amazing the difference!

I'd give all of the listed above "average" talent...at best! And some (like Rebeca Black) I'd literally say have zero talent!

You are right that autotune doesn't make someone sound good and it only fixes problems. What makes them sound good is the reverb, the doubling of the vocal tracks, the effects processors, etc...


(((BAH! So off-topic! Sorry. Anyone got any other questions about in-ears?)))

Hi Pinkfloydued!
That is one thing in-ears can't really provide. When drummers worry about that, I can ease their concerns by saying "you still feel the drums, the sound just comes from the in-ears"....with keyboard players, that isn't the case.


I think For now I'm just going to stick with ear plugs and my amp. Having just bought the Kronos, plus paid for the parts to build my case, and bought a new stand, my wife probably won't let me spend any more for a little while. Can't say I blame her. The band doesn't own a monitor board either. A lot of the places I'll be playing are smaller and the audience just hears the stage amps. My floor wedge will also be the speaker that people hear. I've played for years only using my cabinets. Once even had to use my system when we arrived late and didn't have time to get me into the P.A. in a hockey arena. The sound man told me to turn down! Sure was fun though for the first song. This is years ago.

PinkFloydDudi, we may have to agree to disagree. There are many things that I think require skill which you believe are easy (or just purely technological). I don't think my reply would mean anything to you if my last ones didn't (much). And so on and so on. We've kind of killed the thread topic already, sorry from me too.

PinkFloydDudi wrote:

SanderXpander wrote:PinkFloydDudi, I happen to have a lot of respect for many mainstream artists. There is no doubt that the producers are very good and deliver by far the most "content" of those mainstream songs you hear today. I just can't agree to saying that the perfomers aren't skilled and that autotune is all you hear. I've recorded more than a few vocals over the years and autotune fixes problems, but doesn't make one sing well or sound good, in my personal opinion.

The fact that many/most of these performers are hot surely helps them a lot (same as with many other jobs, in fact, interesting research exists in this direction) but to me it's just all the scarier that they are hot and can perform. Of course I'm not saying they are not all geniuses and many unknown artists are a lot more skilled than some well known ones. That doesn't mean the well known ones are just an autotuned pair of boobs on legs though.

By the way, if you respect Lady Gaga and Adele, you should at the very least give Beyoncé and Alicia Keys another try.

Yup Ill give you those 2 as well.

I'll have to go along with those 2 as well! In fact, I liked Adele's latest so much that I did a piano cover on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXh5onCSZjU

I guess I'm just completely out of the loop. At work we have the classic rock station on all day; and I'm tired of it!; and in my car I just play cd's. Most pop music, well I've not ever really been a fan of it, just basically bores me. Don't know why but it might come from having to suffer with really mundane music in my home growing up. Perry Como and others of that ilk. The Beatles were like the heaviest death metal ever. I kid you not. Fortunately my friends turned me onto progressive music. Jazz fusion, prog rock, blues, R n B, real metal, etc.
One day I'll probably actually listen to an Adele tune. I hear she's good.

We use a 16 channel stagemixer with 6 stereo aux. It is a mixer especially for mixing to inear. We have 6 band members, who all make there own mix of all the instruments and vocals. Every member uses there own wired or wireless inear gear. I use a cable with my Ultimate Ears. It sounds very much like in a studio because of my good headphone with lots of noisedemping. And because every bandmember uses inear, we have nearly no podiumsound, so our soundtechnician is very happy.

SanderXpander wrote:A&H Zed10FX to an RCF 722A.

I tried the 722A right before I spent the dough on a pair of the RCF TT22As. The 722 sounded very good but a still a bit "honky" sounding in the horn for my taste on my Yamaha CP5. My vocal sounded excellent though.

I'd brought along one of the smaller TT08As to A/B to the 722. The 08A just had that little bit more of a hi-fi, open, airy sound , which I find crucial for DP and Jazz. The 722 is still probably one of the nicest if not THE nicest plastic active boxes you can buy.

Most gigs I do are of the Jazz trio variety so a pair of the RCF TT08As and the A&H ZED10FX are more then fine. On occasion, in larger rooms I'll use the TT22As on speaker poles and the run the piano through them for more throw and coverage. The 22As are a different beast being a 12". They're total MFs but 53 lbs. so not light.

Fwiw I borrowed a Kronos 73 from a friend for a gig this past Sunday. Even though I still preferred my CP5, both in the sound & action, the Kronos sounded excellent through the TT08As, especially the Rhodes pianos.

I use powered KRK monitors and headphones for quiet time

@dave ferris
I wasn't familiar with the TT series, I knew the smaller 321 and really liked them, and figured the 722 would be a much better version of them.
To be honest, it has a little too much low end for me. Or at least it doesn't pair well with my Nord Stage, that piano also has too much bottom for band use, and is hard to eq with only a fixed 3 band. I've actually gotten a Presonus EQ3B small eq to sit in between the mixer and RCF. Ridiculous, but it helps, even if the result sounds a bit thin. I really hope switching to the Kronos helps. My Triton Extreme (top board) for instance also gives it a lot of low end (I think the RCF is just a lot more linear in the bottom range than most other boxes) but I can easily EQ my presets on there with all the sweeps and IFX available.

Using the 722 as a FOH on a pole is great by the way, then the low end really packs a punch.