Krome Sampler

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:26 pm

Scott wrote:This would be a real killer feature. (And a huge advantage over the MOX8 at comparable weight and price for an 88.)

No, I don't think it streams from SD, nor do I think it is loading into Yamaha/Nord/Kurzweil style non-volatile flash RAM. My guess would be that there's some small amount of user RAM in there (or installable) that you can load sounds into at startup, as Korg has done before. The M3 (which I believe is, in some way, the underlying foundation of both the M50 and Krome) came with 64 mb in it, for example. And as mentioned, you could install sample RAM into the M50's predecessor, the TR, even if you didn't install the sampling board. (That, the aftertouch, and assignable outs were what I really missed in the transition from TR to M50, and why I always say the M50 as kind of crippled. Too much engineering down to a price, I guess.)

If the hardware is capable of it, but the ability was removed between 1.0 and the released OS, my guess would be that the feature is still in the pipeline and was not yet ready for release. Maybe it's unstable. Or maybe they are waiting until they have some kind of computer editor for generating the file from whatever wavs you have (instead of expecting the user to go buy Awave or whatever).

That makes complete sense, Scott. I will go with the supporting software not ready option. But the functionality is there, because we saw it, and they (Supposedly Korg) did removed the evidence from YouTube, so it is indeed a real feature (and not a scam), and I'm sure they'll announce it soon, since is a big selling point, and will be a killer for the rest of the competition.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:35 pm

mocando wrote:it is indeed a real feature (and not a scam), and I'm sure they'll announce it soon, since is a big selling point, and will be a killer for the rest of the competition.

Although considering all the flack they got for taking so long to release the announced Kronos editor, they may not want to officially announce this capability until it is within days of release! It is notoriously difficult to predict when software will be completed. Ask Microsoft.

Chriskk · Post by **Chriskk** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:06 pm

mocando wrote:
That makes complete sense, Scott. I will go with the supporting software not ready option. But the functionality is there, because we saw it, and they (Supposedly Korg) did removed the evidence from YouTube, so it is indeed a real feature (and not a scam), and I'm sure they'll announce it soon, since is a big selling point, and will be a killer for the rest of the competition.

I wouldn't bet on it. Companies (including Korg) promote a feature even if it's not ready at all. If Korg merely announced a sampling feature, they would be selling more Kromes.

I guess it'll be available in the next incarnation of the Krome.

musicman2011 · Post by **musicman2011** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:37 pm

Taken from a thread in an Italian forum:

So, I tried to do the experiment samples to be sent to a friend to try, there is a catch

Here is the procedure:
1) Open Awave
2) Place the samples and properties by right-clicking arrange the samples of the keyboard
3) save as ksc triton script file
4) here is the catch OBTAIN A FILE MISSING THE KORG MakeOptionPCM.EXE 2012 LICENSED TO GENERATE THE TWO AND HALF SAMPLE FILES TO LOAD IN SD

Korg has taken for a ride

So one missing peice is that makepcm exr, but futher in the thread it is stated itis an internal to Korg file, which explains how the Korg reps video happened in the first place...

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:57 pm

musicman2011 wrote:Taken from a thread in an Italian forum:

So, I tried to do the experiment samples to be sent to a friend to try, there is a catch
Here is the procedure:
1) Open Awave
2) Place the samples and properties by right-clicking arrange the samples of the keyboard
3) save as ksc triton script file
4) here is the catch OBTAIN A FILE MISSING THE KORG MakeOptionPCM.EXE 2012 LICENSED TO GENERATE THE TWO AND HALF SAMPLE FILES TO LOAD IN SD

Korg has taken for a ride

So one missing peice is that makepcm exr, but futher in the thread it is stated itis an internal to Korg file, which explains how the Korg reps video happened in the first place...

Could you please send me the link to the Italian forum, and let me translate to spanish first, and then I'll translate it to english. There is something lost in the direct translation.

musicman2011 · Post by **musicman2011** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:07 pm

mocando wrote:
musicman2011 wrote:Taken from a thread in an Italian forum:

So, I tried to do the experiment samples to be sent to a friend to try, there is a catch
Here is the procedure:
1) Open Awave
2) Place the samples and properties by right-clicking arrange the samples of the keyboard
3) save as ksc triton script file
4) here is the catch OBTAIN A FILE MISSING THE KORG MakeOptionPCM.EXE 2012 LICENSED TO GENERATE THE TWO AND HALF SAMPLE FILES TO LOAD IN SD

Korg has taken for a ride

So one missing peice is that makepcm exr, but futher in the thread it is stated itis an internal to Korg file, which explains how the Korg reps video happened in the first place...
Could you please send me the link to the Italian forum, and let me translate to spanish first, and then I'll translate it to english. There is something lost in the direct translation.

http://www.supportimusicali.it/forum/mo ... =62297&r=1

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... lw&cad=rjt

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:17 pm

Ok. Got it. Definitively, until someone gets a hold on that EXE, it might be impossible to generate the files to be loaded.

What we can do, is to at least try and test if the loading functionality is still present, by creating a couple of blank file, one named META and the other named SAMPLE, put both on the SD's root, and boot the keyboard with the SD. If it says loading PCM banks, then it will surely will show an error, but at least we might know if we can still have our hopes up with the shipping firmware.

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:09 pm

After fiddling with Google Translate, I was able to join a russian forum with a bit more of info on this. According to an official source, there are 32MB of RAM available for uploading samples.

No more info as of yet. I'll keep you guys posted as I find out more.

Chriskk · Post by **Chriskk** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:50 am

32MB of RAM? Then, it's strictly for korg's in-house use only. If you need sample playback capabilities, you better buy a used M3. Even my 20 year old Kurzweil K-2000 has 64 MB of RAM.

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:27 am

Chriskk wrote:32MB of RAM? Then, it's strictly for korg's in-house use only. If you need sample playback capabilities, you better buy a used M3. Even my 20 year old Kurzweil K-2000 has 64 MB of RAM.

You are comparing pears to apples. I'm sure your K2000 was a top level synth in its time, in the same league as the Kronos or M3, I presume. The Krome is a budget unit, and not really supporting fully fledged sampling, but sample playback.

In my case, 32MB is more than enough for my needs. And I'm sure for many is the same. I'm doing miracles with 4MB on my WK-3300, and I already have like 5 or 6 Mellotron sounds, a couple of vintage EPs and some special effects.

For hardcore sampling, the Kronos is the way to go.

musicman2011 · Post by **musicman2011** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:39 pm

and who knows about the 32 mb. Since the OS is being loaded into RAM, perhaps there is more allocation that that. For the price of the board that is ,to me, acceptable.
If I need more ill look at a Kronos, a Fantom R, a laptop, or the like..

I find it interesting that the Korg reps are taking a hands off approach on this discussion, so perhaps there is something in the works...

Vex · Post by **Vex** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:31 pm

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daybyter · Post by **daybyter** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:01 pm

http://vimple.ru/9b4253ad495946e389e00fa13a7b53b0

daybyter · Post by **daybyter** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:58 pm

The pa600 can load samples, right? Does it use the pcm format and is there a converter for it?

synthjoe · Post by **synthjoe** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:39 pm

alfredokiwi wrote:We need to wait for the circuit schematics to have an idea about the Krome architecture.

I guess you'll see an industrial SBC (single board computer) that uses all ports, memory and other peripherals as programmed. So it is unlikely to tell you anything more about the capabilities than we already know. Perhaps the source code - together with the schematics would say more...

That makeoptionPCM.exe thing is really intriguing...