Electribe 2 petition

Sulfur · Post by **Sulfur** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:31 pm

Duracell wrote: * UNLOCK THE GRID !!! I'm originaly a drummer, so finger drumming is a pleasure for me and sometimes I come up with a nice displacement feel or groove only to face the disappointment of it being quantized after recording.

I was thinking that with pattern chaining a possible workaround could be to set the electribe on 32nd instead of 16th and doubling the speed and the patterns you can mimic even 64th. That doesn't unlock the grid but increases its resolution. Most of all you would have problems only with triplets and other irregular groups. But that should imply that you can also record through the chained patterns. Since I haven't upgraded yet I don't know if it's possible. Also in this case the pattern gap could be an issue more than ever.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:40 pm

Telengard wrote:
Hugo wrote:Do you also notice a gap in pattern chain mode?
I have never been quite sure if it is the way the patterns are implemented or if it is a hardware/software glitch. I haven't notice any in my pattern changes for a while now. But you can hear what appear to be gaps on the soundcloud demos they have on their site for the new patterns.

Listen to when it changes patterns in this one:

https://soundcloud.com/korg/10-dotwave? ... s-patterns

Personally I think it is mostly the way the patterns are implemented given the hardware/software.

I do not have my electribe with me and I have not been able to test the new OS yet
but if the gap problem has been fixed, there is a very simple method to check:
you only have to chain two patterns with one short sound (eg snare) on all steps
take a quite fast tempo (at least 120BPM)
and if we hear the slightest delay between 2 patterns: there is always the gap ...

Telengard · Post by **Telengard** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:55 pm

Loudest wrote:
I do not have my electribe with me and I have not been able to test the new OS yet
but if the gap problem has been fixed, there is a very simple method to check:
you only have to chain two patterns with one short sound (eg snare) on all steps
take a quite fast tempo (at least 120BPM)
and if we hear the slightest delay between 2 patterns: there is always the gap ...

I don't believe I hear any drift in the actual beat when I make my pattern changes. Keep in mind I am only an amateur and not claiming that I have perfect beat timing, but I think I am at pretty good at it.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:08 pm

Telengard wrote:
Loudest wrote:
I do not have my electribe with me and I have not been able to test the new OS yet
but if the gap problem has been fixed, there is a very simple method to check:
you only have to chain two patterns with one short sound (eg snare) on all steps
take a quite fast tempo (at least 120BPM)
and if we hear the slightest delay between 2 patterns: there is always the gap ...
I don't believe I hear any drift in the actual beat when I make my pattern changes. Keep in mind I am only an amateur and not claiming that I have perfect beat timing, but I think I am at pretty good at it.

well if that's the case it's very good news!...
because I can tell you with "the repeated snare drum" test, one heard VERY clearly a drop during the chaining...

I can't wait to test this new OS

Telengard · Post by **Telengard** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:48 pm

Loudest wrote: well if that's the case it's very good news!...
because I can tell you with "the repeated snare drum" test, one heard VERY clearly a drop during the chaining...

I can't wait to test this new OS

OK, I did a quick test with a 1 bar 16 note snare pattern to another duplicate one and there definitely is a gap, unless you turn on the amp envelope and turn the release down on both a bit. Then you get almost no gap. In fact if I leave it running, I stop hearing the change at all between two identical patterns.

So in conclusion.... More testing and we have to work around the limitations for the moment.

I think if they lock things down so that we never have any of these gaps or dropped notes, etc we would be much more limited with the sonic abilities of the electribe. I guess it is hard to balance it right.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:15 pm

Telengard wrote:OK, I did a quick test with a 1 bar 16 note snare pattern to another duplicate one and there definitely is a gap

given the weakness of the Electribe in terms of sequencing, I use it as a slave, so it's been a while since I automatically makes pattern chaining......
(it is just Program Change messages after all...)
so the only good new in this update would have been that the gap be fixed

for those who have the Sampler,
how far the loading times have been improved?
(please, please...ONE good thing at least..)

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:41 pm

.....

farfisa · Post by **farfisa** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:19 pm

Well, I’m completely baffled. Talk about rolling it in glitter!

I love the new colors. The mix of knob colors and black trackpad are odd, however the overall vibe is much sexier than my grey E2. I think with the new paint jobs they’ve missed an opportunity to label the shift pad options. Even an overlay a la Microbrute would have been cool.

So does this mean the petition worked or not?

Seems truly bizarre they would drop the new firmware release & colors without engaging with their loudest audience. Not even a “We hear you faithful customers, and we have something new for you”.

I guess by not engaging they are not setting any false expectations.

I think it shows they probably only have one person working on the OS or it’s a low priority development job for their other teams. How could it take so long to make such changes?

Anyhoo, Pioneer Toraiz SP-16 will be out any day now (lots of pics on Instagram). Might have to spray my grey E2 blue and put it on eBay!

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:23 pm

@Cade

Will it be possible to update the petition and remove queries that were resolved with the latest update?
in order to show that some requests are still awaited..

(also the request #29 seems so obvious that it should be on the top of the list...
and #36 should be next to #8 & #9 since it talks pretty much about the same thing)

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:41 pm

Loudest wrote: for those who have the Sampler,
how far the loading times have been improved?
(please, please...ONE good thing at least..)

My load time went from 45 seconds to 18 seconds with the new OS.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:48 pm

musicmagus wrote:My load time went from 45 seconds to 18 seconds with the new OS.

Ok. Good improvement
Thank you musicmagus!

Cade · Post by **Cade** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:14 pm

Loudest wrote:@Cade

Will it be possible to update the petition and remove queries that were resolved with the latest update?
in order to show that some requests are still awaited..

(also the request #29 seems so obvious that it should be on the top of the list...
and #36 should be next to #8 & #9 since it talks pretty much about the same thing)

I believe so. I will delete the 2 that they "fixed" with the new update, and also install the latest update, and check on the other bugs.

taking out: pattern chaining (10) and UNDO (12)... is that it? Should I also remove (5) song mode? It seems that can be achieved using the "chain mode"

I don't think I will change anything else (re-ordering or clarifying) with the petition.

...edit... However, I did change whom the petition was directed, to reflect more appropriately a Korg employee with immediate connection to the instrument:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ian-bradshaw-24521132

PurpleSpaceMan · Post by **PurpleSpaceMan** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:31 pm

I wouldn't remove song mode mainly because- as quoted from ‎Rich Holloway‎ on the facebook electribe group 'If you want a pattern chain of A, A, B, C, C, D, A, C. You'd need two versions of pattern A, one chained to B after two repeats and another version chained to D after one repeat.' and I think song mode deals with that

Cade · Post by **Cade** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:37 pm

PurpleSpaceMan wrote:I wouldn't remove song mode mainly because- as quoted from ‎Rich Holloway‎ on the facebook electribe group 'If you want a pattern chain of A, A, B, C, C, D, A, C. You'd need two versions of pattern A, one chained to B after two repeats and another version chained to D after one repeat.' and I think song mode deals with that

Got it, thanks.

+REP

h.vel · Post by **h.vel** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:25 am

DR.DR wrote:I strongly encourage everybody to stick with the petition, especially after the work done by Cade.

The colors are an attempt at revival - they'll kill the grey one in a month or two and try to convince everybody there is a new release.

It is a step, and I appreciate Korg for doing it, but the release was botched and they're trying to hit reset and get sales volumes back up.

Now is the EXACT time to get the petition up there. Lots of great suggestions from the community.

Absolutely! We should continue collecting users for the petition. Korg seems to recognize that the Electribes could be sold much more often. So, they release new colors and a new OS (they know: without a new OS = no new customers). Now it seems the best time ever to have influence.

farfisa wrote:So does this mean the petition worked or not?

The OS file is from 2016.06.13. - so this can't be Korg's answer to the petition, though I can imagine that some weeks ago someone told Korg to read this forum (the petition tooks a few weeks until it was finished).

I guess there is a chance that a 2. OS will follow (if we continue to keep up the petition)..