PA5X - a REAL photo...

pawlikp100 · Post by **pawlikp100** » Sat May 07, 2022 11:52 am

MikeVVught wrote:Unfortunately the uploader of the video to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wPtz2kh2Pk has deleted the video...

Probably because of the discussion in the comment section.
But I have the copy of the last discussion from Able

"Korg Inc (Japan) had a management change a while back. This new management decided to end existing partnerships with several companies. Stephen Kay's Karma was one of them. That's why the Nautilus doesn't have Karma. Not because of budget cuts, but because of the end of their partnership. Now in truth, I don't know if Korg Italy has done the same with their partnerships, but I am sure of it. Korg might have had help from Waves and TC Helicon in designing their new Harmonization and Master Eq/Compression effects. But, the technology might be developed by Korg and not by outside companies. This gives Korg Italy more control of their product and there are fewer expenses as they are not taking the technology from other companies. Again, I could be wrong, but this is the most likely answer that we'll get. As for my credibility, it is up to you believe it or not the info I give you. I was not one of the beta testers or the developers, so I understand that I am not to be fully trusted by anyone. But I hope the information I have given you will clear your doubts regarding the leaks and provide some insight into the new product. Stay well."

MikeVVught · Post by **MikeVVught** » Sat May 07, 2022 3:08 pm

I get the point regarding stopping partnerships with third parties. But I hope Korg can at least compete with TC Helicon and Maxx Waves using its own technologies.

There are a lot of users who rely on TC Helicon within the Pa2X, Pa3X and Pa4X.

A lot of users are content with built-in harmonization, equaliser and compression.

It's up to Korg to convince these users and don't think Korg can afford making any error, glitches and more of this when introducing the Pa5X.

It's good to read Korg has build up the Pa5X new from scratch with its own OS and technologies but it has to be proved it is a golden combination...

Fingers crossed...

Giner · Post by **Giner** » Sat May 07, 2022 4:13 pm

I don't know how this works, but I'd have to think that Korg has the savvy to at least continue, if not to further develop, the harmoniser - they surely know the tech inside and out. If it's a licensing issue then a few new tweaks in design/manufacturing should get around that. I don't imagine, as some have done, that the harmoniser will be dropped entirely.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Sat May 07, 2022 4:25 pm

Seems some Dutch dealers have an invitation to the presentation of the new Korg Pa5x next month in Austria. Which might be an indication that there might also be a musikant version at release.

pawlikp100 · Post by **pawlikp100** » Sat May 07, 2022 5:00 pm

Bachus wrote:Seems some Dutch dealers have an invitation to the presentation of the new Korg Pa5x next month in Austria. Which might be an indication that there might also be a musikant version at release.

Can you give source of above?

MikeVVught · Post by **MikeVVught** » Sat May 07, 2022 6:36 pm

Bachus wrote:Seems some Dutch dealers have an invitation to the presentation of the new Korg Pa5x next month in Austria. Which might be an indication that there might also be a musikant version at release.

Musik Messe Austria is May 13th 'til May 15th but Korg is not listed as exhibitor. Next opportunity for presentation could be during NAMM 2022 which is June 3th until June 5th. But I cannot imagine Korg Italy will be one of the exhibitors during NAMM.

D575 · Post by **D575** » Sat May 07, 2022 7:41 pm

MikeVVught wrote:
Bachus wrote:Seems some Dutch dealers have an invitation to the presentation of the new Korg Pa5x next month in Austria. Which might be an indication that there might also be a musikant version at release.
Musik Messe Austria is May 13th 'til May 15th but Korg is not listed as exhibitor. Next opportunity for presentation could be during NAMM 2022 which is June 3th until June 5th. But I cannot imagine Korg Italy will be one of the exhibitors during NAMM.

But I would imagine Korg USA will be hosting for Korg Global Partners at NAMM 2022.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Sat May 07, 2022 9:07 pm

MikeVVught wrote:I get the point regarding stopping partnerships with third parties. But I hope Korg can at least compete with TC Helicon and Maxx Waves using its own technologies.

There are a lot of users who rely on TC Helicon within the Pa2X, Pa3X and Pa4X.

A lot of users are content with built-in harmonization, equaliser and compression.

It's up to Korg to convince these users and don't think Korg can afford making any error, glitches and more of this when introducing the Pa5X.

It's good to read Korg has build up the Pa5X new from scratch with its own OS and technologies but it has to be proved it is a golden combination...

Fingers crossed...

Korg Italy has that contract with TC hellicon and they work pretty independent of Korg Japan.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Sun May 08, 2022 1:59 am

MikeVVught wrote:I hope Korg can at least compete with TC Helicon and Maxx Waves using its own technologies.
There are a lot of users who rely on TC Helicon within the Pa2X, Pa3X and Pa4X.

Critical - I fully rely on the current high quality of the PA4X harmoniser!!

MikeVVught wrote:It's good to read Korg has build up the Pa5X new from scratch with its own OS and technologies

Do we know that for sure?
What about hardware - processor/RAM/internal storage???
Hope there are no shortcuts.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Sun May 08, 2022 10:33 am

MikeVVught wrote:
Bachus wrote:Seems some Dutch dealers have an invitation to the presentation of the new Korg Pa5x next month in Austria. Which might be an indication that there might also be a musikant version at release.
Musik Messe Austria is May 13th 'til May 15th but Korg is not listed as exhibitor. Next opportunity for presentation could be during NAMM 2022 which is June 3th until June 5th. But I cannot imagine Korg Italy will be one of the exhibitors during NAMM.

Where did i state they will present this at musik messe austria?

It will be a dedicated Korg event for european korg dealers. We do not even know if they will present it to the general publicum due to a youtube presentation?

As said, Namm is nit an option as all Korg stage time at namm will be for new synth and workstation products

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Thu May 12, 2022 2:38 pm

New info from Germany, a friend of mine knows some German Korg relatives involved in sound programming for the new pa5x. (He knows both Jurgen Saritorius as well as Dirk Lindemann). ..

They confirmed unofficially that the pictures are correct and show the model used by the sound designers, but not the final product.

Also some insight on the specs..

- there will be no 88 or 61 key versions at release also no module version, only a 76 keyversion.
- there will be the latest fatar keybed inside with a new type of aftertouch
- a totaly new operating system created from the ground up, with new hardware and much more performance.(and memmory)
- there will be a and b accompaniment, which can be style+ multipads, midisong /multi-audio track/combination of both in either a linear sequence or more like clip launching (think ableton live) .. or clip launching with style parts..
- there will be a new soundengine(s) compared to pa4x, with more then just a sample based engine, the sample based engine has much much more room for onboard and user samples.
- the style engine will have had a huge upgrade and new style format, however its backward compatible in that it can import pa4x styles and convert them to the new engine.
- there will be easy options to edit onboard midi or midi in styles trough a piano roll editor on an external device..
- the 4 panel sounds will each be a program consisting out of 4 sounds with 4 dsp effects. You can have up to 3 splits.
- there will be a traditional arpeggiator and a step sequencer for each of the sounds in a program. And many new forms of harmony
- there will be many more active mixing effects, total and final effects..
- there will be new harmonizer and master EQ build into the OS..
- daw control is much more apparent, the pa5x can function as an audio device.

So it looks and feels to me that we will step up into a new era with korg arrangers.

This is about what i can reproduce from what he told me.. he could not reveal the source of the info tough… so treat this as you see fit..

Niki_Keyz · Post by **Niki_Keyz** » Thu May 12, 2022 4:01 pm

I’m loving everything that I’m hearing so far. The only thing I will hate is if they don’t make a 61 key version of this keyboard. It’s just an opinion but I would pay even more to make the keyboard smaller than a 61.

D575 · Post by **D575** » Thu May 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Quote: there will be the latest fatar keybed inside with a new type of aftertouch.

That's interesting...I wonder if that will be " Polyphonic Aftertouch " based on the latest FATAR keybed seen in the newly released Waldorf Iridium (Keyboard Version) ?

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Thu May 12, 2022 7:31 pm

D575 wrote:Quote: there will be the latest fatar keybed inside with a new type of aftertouch.

That's interesting...I wonder if that will be " Polyphonic Aftertouch " based on the latest FATAR keybed seen in the newly released Waldorf Iridium (Keyboard Version) ?

Would not make much sense to me, why would they put a poly aftertouch in an arranger keyboard? I think those keybeds are considerably more expensive?

archil · Post by **archil** » Fri May 13, 2022 4:45 am

- a totaly new operating system created from the ground up, with new hardware and much more performance.(and memmory)
- there will be a new soundengine(s) compared to pa4x, with more then just a sample based engine, the sample based engine has much much more room for onboard and user samples.

Finally, if true.