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TonyGen wrote:Upgrading to an M3 sounds like the way forward. Anybody know how much extra I would need to pay if I traded in my Oasys 76?

Tony.

Have you actually played an M3? Do a side-by-side comparison of one with the Oasys, with good speakers or headphones, and then let us know if you still want to "upgrade" to an M3.

TonyGen wrote:Upgrading to an M3 sounds like the way forward. Anybody know how much extra I would need to pay if I traded in my Oasys 76?

Tony.

Don't do this... that is a downgrade! You buy better connectivity and a better sequencer at the cost of sound quality and sound possibilities!

greetings
Anthony

Keep your O-76. As previously noted - moving to an M3 would be a downgrade NOT an upgrade.

TonyGen wrote:Upgrading to an M3 sounds like the way forward. Anybody know how much extra I would need to pay if I traded in my Oasys 76?

Tony.

Actually I couldn't find a sarcastic emoticon

Peter

TonyGen wrote:

TonyGen wrote:Upgrading to an M3 sounds like the way forward. Anybody know how much extra I would need to pay if I traded in my Oasys 76?

Tony.

Actually I couldn't find a sarcastic emoticon

curvebender wrote:

TonyGen wrote:

TonyGen wrote:Upgrading to an M3 sounds like the way forward. Anybody know how much extra I would need to pay if I traded in my Oasys 76?

Tony.

Actually I couldn't find a sarcastic emoticon

I don't know if it's referred to my post. If it's so I wasn't saying that the Oasys sucks (and I wasn't comparing it to the M3 specifically), I've already stated that sounds very good, but only that the sound banks are a little outdated compared to the other workstations and that it's a bit incomplete (and that's true because it has been discontinued before the expected "life" of the O, the "FUNCTION" button anyone?), and then do you really prefer the normal midi event editor instead of a piano roll? Good for you . As you can see you sarcasm was not needed. If it wasn't referred to me ok, sorry, but I had to reply, I don't like to be fooled. I just shared my feelings with all of you, maybe I did a mistake, sorry If I want the best from what I purchased with my hard earned money.

OrientExpressMB wrote:

curvebender wrote:

TonyGen wrote: Actually I couldn't find a sarcastic emoticon

I don't know if it's referred to my post. If it's so I wasn't saying that the Oasys sucks (and I wasn't comparing it to the M3 specifically), I've already stated that sounds very good, but only that the sound banks are a little outdated compared to the other workstations and that it's a bit incomplete (and that's true because it has been discontinued before the expected "life" of the O, the "FUNCTION" button anyone?), and then do you really prefer the normal midi event editor instead of a piano roll? Good for you . As you can see you sarcasm was not needed. If it wasn't referred to me ok, sorry, but I had to reply, I don't like to be fooled. I just shared my feelings with all of you, maybe I did a mistake, sorry If I want the best from what I purchased with my hard earned money.

Not sure which posts you have read. If you look back I agreed absolutely with your post. I think I (like you) have been treated very shoddily by Korg. Top money for high spec. (supposedly future proof for many years) gear and then Korg pull the rug as if I had bought into some run of the mill workstation. My future purchases will bear this lack of continued support in mind.

Tony.

TonyGen wrote:

OrientExpressMB wrote:

curvebender wrote:

I don't know if it's referred to my post. If it's so I wasn't saying that the Oasys sucks (and I wasn't comparing it to the M3 specifically), I've already stated that sounds very good, but only that the sound banks are a little outdated compared to the other workstations and that it's a bit incomplete (and that's true because it has been discontinued before the expected "life" of the O, the "FUNCTION" button anyone?), and then do you really prefer the normal midi event editor instead of a piano roll? Good for you . As you can see you sarcasm was not needed. If it wasn't referred to me ok, sorry, but I had to reply, I don't like to be fooled. I just shared my feelings with all of you, maybe I did a mistake, sorry If I want the best from what I purchased with my hard earned money.

Not sure which posts you have read. If you look back I agreed absolutely with your post. I think I (like you) have been treated very shoddily by Korg. Top money for high spec. (supposedly future proof for many years) gear and then Korg pull the rug as if I had bought into some run of the mill workstation. My future purchases will bear this lack of continued support in mind.

Tony.

Ah ok, sorry then Tony. I just misunderstood. And plus I'm fully agree with your post. I couldn't express better what I feel.

Sharp wrote:

yeah, that's pretty much all you can do at this point, right?

Pendulum wrote: It's not about how much it costs, is it ? It is still an art, right ? You're manufacturing and selling but we're making music. That divide has grown a great deal in the last ten years. Very sad to watch that indeed.

This "we're listening, but you're wrong" customer approach is a good part of why I am no longer involved here. I.

Daz,

You are reading alot more into Jerry and Dan's comments. Their comments seemed to be very appropriate and sensible, especially given some of the original comments Kevin made.

Hi Martin and colleagues -

I agree. And my original comments were on reflection very abrasive. Note that I apologised to Dan and Jerry in particular by email. Whatever open debate exists, my original post in particular was rushed, not thought through and unfair on many fronts.

I’ll not get back into any debate on either my post or the topic, but just want to let you know this – not to save face - but actually they are owed one by me and because in reality I hold a deep respect for Dan, Jerry and Korg (and indeed Sharp, Daz, Stephen Kay, E2J, KARO, Mike Conway and others who have affected my life in such a positive way through these new technology developments, and through this forum).

So my apologies for my original negative slant. But on a positive note, it looks like the forum has regained a lot of balance and bouyancy recently especially with actually chatting about music and such; by Gary, Akos and many others. So there's plenty of life left in OASYS and this forum for sure.


Kevin.

Somehow or another I took the wrong exit ramp off the highway of life and haven't been on here for awhile . I'm aghast at Daz leaving the forum and selling his O . He truly is a gentleman in every sense of the word and a brilliant one at that. Daz, thank you for all of the incredible things you have done for all of us and this forum and may the muse be your constant companion when you call for her.

As far as this thread is concerned, the question of will there there be another Oasys, none of us can say with certainty what the future will bring except of course death & taxes, as it's been said many times. However, I'd like to offer my thinking for consideration to the members for what it's worth.

One of the patterns in life is that of a pendulum, (interesting that Daz took that moniker), cycles do occur and patterns sometimes do repeat but rarely are a precise clone. Sounds musical and almost Karma like doesn't it?

Real-time musicians make music by playing physical instruments to entertain and challenge not only their audience, but themselves as well. The audience can react in many ways both physical & emotional as do the musicians, and that is a bond shared in common with both.

There was never a better "high" in my life than when I was playing on stage with a band and everyone was in perfect sync and you just "knew" and anticipated when a new riff or change would happen and be able to follow it and caress it, almost like ESP. Or maybe it was ESP. All was right with the world and your soul.

Playing live is perhaps the greatest experience in life, when the music you and your band mates are playing reach out & touch everyone in their presence. It's magical and for those who have never been able to experience it, I am truly sorry.

Is it fun to record? Sure. Is it fun to compose? Sure (most of the time). And these are the very essence of software created sounds and music, not to mention it puts the creative ability closer to those who don't have the craft or chops, or circumstances, or time, or friends, etc, etc, to play live.

Right now, the economic circumstances around the globe do not permit John & Jane Q Public to run out and purchase a Stradivarius, or a Bosendorfer or Steinway, or even an Oasys. Disposable income for the average players has wound up in the pockets of the fat cat Wall Streeter's and other heads of companies that sent all our jobs somewhere else (China mostly), but I digress.

The reason that software is one of the current "solutions" in the music industry is because the price is more affordable to most of those inclined than high end physical instruments. For instrument makers like Korg, the focus must be on lower cost products (both instruments & software) for their own survival.

The pendulum will swing back again as the global economies improve, more people get back to work, and disposable income increases.

At some point, those individuals who decided or were forced to go with the affordable alternative will probably want to come out of their isolated home studios and play with others again in real- time fashion.

Will there be an Oasys II? Probably not.

Will there be high end "workstations"? I think so, because human nature wants the highest emotional & physical impact possible, it is a phenomenal shared experience quite unlike any other.

Hopefully, there will still be extraordinary masters like Dan & Jerry around when that happens to take us to the next level of real-time instruments. As a 20 year veteran with Korg products, I do not feel good about the circumstances that have befallen all of us, but I never doubted your commitment to the products you've developed or that "this too shall pass". The Oasys is still the most incredible electronic instrument on the face of the planet. Thanks to both of you and the whole Korg team for giving birth to it.

You'll have to pry this baby out of my cold dead hands.

Ken

MartinHines wrote:

Pendulum wrote: It's not about how much it costs, is it ? It is still an art, right ? You're manufacturing and selling but we're making music. That divide has grown a great deal in the last ten years. Very sad to watch that indeed.

This "we're listening, but you're wrong" customer approach is a good part of why I am no longer involved here. I.

Daz,

You are reading alot more into Jerry and Dan's comments. Their comments seemed to be very appropriate and sensible, especially given some of the original comments Kevin made.

I respectfully disagree.

You're misunderstanding my point. My point was not whether the comments were appropriate and sensible in this instance, but whether this was the appropriate place for them and whether that is the correct way to approach a customer. I don't agree with Korg's way of dealing with customers and people more generally.

This is all completely moot admittedly.

It is nothing at all to do with me now (in fact it never was, as it turns out ) so I won't be debating the point. I just wanted to clarify my previous remarks.

On the plus side, thank you Ken for your kind words ! I miss talking with artists such as yourself. My hope is that all of the creative folks here will meet up again elsewhere and enjoy exchanging ideas in a more focused context.

Best to all,

Darren.