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blackmamba wrote:It's interesting.

I guess it really depends of one's needs.
For me, a touchscreen tablet will never replace a monitor.

Clearly you haven't played with one, along with apps designed for touch. It's a different world!

Furthermore a touchscreen is a monitor! Albeit with multi-touch sensitivity capability. A chameleon control surface.

Buy a nice mouse with lot of possible customization and it will do the job very good, with zooms, etc ...
A mouse is a genius tool, it allows to cross centimeters by moving it by some millimeters.
And I don't even talk about the keyboard ...

A mouse can't alter several parameters all at the same time like your fingers can on a touchscreen. Mice deny you the ability to quickly pinch in/out, rotate, shuttle, move multiple faders/knobs etc.

Mice are more accurate for certain things, though. For example you won't be able to do intricate, accurate 3D graphic modelling quickly without a mouse. But when apps are redesigned for touch use from the ground up, apps become less fiddly.

The iPad, for example, has been designed to forget the mouse, entirely. And in the main it does it rather well! Wanting to plug a mouse in has never crossed my mind. Except when I want to do 3D modelling, but then iPad can't run 3Ds Max or Photoshop anyway.

Hello Timo,

I have one ipad at home and that's all ... Well, I don't imagine myself working with this keyboard and the touchscreen is convenient only because the ipad's size is very little.
I am not talking about optimized or not softwares or apps could be for touchscreens, I am talking more about the general things like : tiring, etc ...

Then, it 's true that the king of softwares I use are more like games, photoshop, after effects, ...

I have read Sharp's link page up about Sonar and it looks cool.

I will give it a try

I think the new design Apple brought for desctop computers is very interesting.
I am pretty shure soon it will be copycated by other manufactors and then again they will say Apple is over priced.

They will just make some minor tweaks in order not to be sued by copy protaction law ans that's it...

chilly7 wrote:I think the new design Apple brought for desctop computers is very interesting.
I am pretty shure soon it will be copycated by other manufactors and then again they will say Apple is over priced.

They will just make some minor tweaks in order not to be sued by copy protaction law ans that's it...

Sony have at least 4 computers on the market for years that are circular shaped.
Image 1


My kids have had a Linux Media Player in their Play Room for 3 years that even taller than the SONY.

Image 2


TVIX have at least 3 different Android systems on the same design too.

Regards
Sharp.

Sharp wrote:

chilly7 wrote:I think the new design Apple brought for desctop computers is very interesting.
I am pretty shure soon it will be copycated by other manufactors and then again they will say Apple is over priced.

They will just make some minor tweaks in order not to be sued by copy protaction law ans that's it...

Sony have at least 4 computers on the market for years that are circular shaped.
Image 1

My kids have had a Linux Media Player in their Play Room for 3 years that even taller than the SONY.

Image 2
TVIX have at least 3 different Android systems on the same design too.

Regards
Sharp.

You are surely right that the circle has not been invented by Apple.
But you have to accept that most laptop producers try to come as close to Apple designed products as possible. A visit to the HP laptop site shows mostly MacBook Pro like designs and others are doing the same.
I think a cylinder is just a good basic geometrical form that is good for air convection cooling. I don´t think Jonathan Ive tries to 'invent' new shapes that have never been used before, he just takes the geometry that he thinks is best for the function.
And it looks awsome in all it´s black glory. I wonder how it will look with a bunch a cables, harddisks and acessories.

But you have to accept that most laptop producers try to come as close to Apple designed products as possible.

I'd see it more as an inevitable happen-stance more than anything else.

Every manufacture making Laptops and desktops have a vast array of different designs and shapes of all sizes. Apple don't really do that. Their range is much more focused on a specific design that doesn't go though much change from generation to generation.

Where everyone else is making all manner of shapes and sizes. So it's more of an inevitable happen-stance to me that others carry products that also look like a Mac.

A visit to the HP laptop site shows mostly MacBook Pro like designs and others are doing the same.

True, but it's kind of always been that way maybe. My first ever Sony VIAO looks very close to the current MacBook's. Ok it was a little more chunky, but that is to be expected as it was a long time ago when I had that Sony and well before Apple had their MacBook Pro designs.

Seems to me that everyone is often doing the same kind things at the same time. It's all good in my opinion. I like the fact that some ACER I might like the look of can be puchased as a SONY look alike and so on.

I think a cylinder is just a good basic geometrical form that is good for air convection cooling. I don´t think Jonathan Ive tries to 'invent' new shapes that have never been used before, he just takes the geometry that he thinks is best for the function.

That geometry has a massive downside too though. While it looks lovely, you can forget about throwing a few extra hard disks or PCI cards into it as you would a traditional MAC/PC.

That might be a problem for Apple. Time will tell.

And it looks awsome in all it´s black glory. I wonder how it will look with a bunch a cables, harddisks and acessories.

Indeed it looks awesome. Apple should make some accessories that complement it's design for those who need an extra hard disk for backup and so on.

I would love one, and I would have good use for it's speed too when it comes to my 3D modelling and rendering. But it's a pretty darn hefty commitment to both the price tag and the limitation of expansion that it's beautiful design imposes.

Regards
Sharp.

Sharp wrote:That geometry has a massive downside too though. While it looks lovely, you can forget about throwing a few extra hard disks or PCI cards into it as you would a traditional MAC/PC.

Yeah, Like my Protools cards....Like that setup wasn't expensive enough, now you'll have to additionally buy some type of expensive thunderbolt chassis just to put the new generation Avid HDX PCIe cards into to run it on the new system....A lot of folks froze at the price of the HDX cards (which aren't compatible with the blue HD interfaces) now throwing the price of a chassis on top of the price of a new Mac Pro....Not for the faint of heart.....LOL.....moon

MoonMusic wrote:

Sharp wrote:That geometry has a massive downside too though. While it looks lovely, you can forget about throwing a few extra hard disks or PCI cards into it as you would a traditional MAC/PC.

Yeah, Like my Protools cards....Like that setup wasn't expensive enough, now you'll have to additionally buy some type of expensive thunderbolt chassis just to put the new generation Avid HDX PCIe cards into to run it on the new system....A lot of folks froze at the price of the HDX cards (which aren't compatible with the blue HD interfaces) now throwing the price of a chassis on top of the price of a new Mac Pro....Not for the faint of heart.....LOL.....moon

The only good thing about Macs was not the hardware, as thats allways been way to expenive and inflexible.. The good thing was Mac OS...

Untill recently in my opinion it got surpassed by windows 8... As written before, software designed for touch and flexible hardware are the way to go..

And at a much much cheeper rate..


Running all my vsts on a windows 8 tablet 18" touchscreen wit 16gb and a fast i7 and a 1tb SSD is just awesome... And more then fast enough...

Well its not really a tablet as it is 3" thick and selfbuild...

Sharp wrote:

chilly7 wrote:I think the new design Apple brought for desctop computers is very interesting.
I am pretty shure soon it will be copycated by other manufactors and then again they will say Apple is over priced.

They will just make some minor tweaks in order not to be sued by copy protaction law ans that's it...

Sony have at least 4 computers on the market for years that are circular shaped.
Image 1


My kids have had a Linux Media Player in their Play Room for 3 years that even taller than the SONY.

Image 2


TVIX have at least 3 different Android systems on the same design too.

Regards
Sharp.

The picture u provided probably is not anything close to Mac Pro.
I do not think that computer contains high end server hardware... lol


It's not about circular shape, but it is a whole design and it is pretty interesting.

The magic about good product is to make it good overaly.

The picture u provided probably is not anything close to Mac Pro.

Visually it's pretty darn close to me. The Linux TVIX even makes use of the tube shape to optimise airflow through the length of the case.

I do not think that computer contains high end server hardware... lol

Never said it was. I was only addressing the comment you made that you seem to believe Apple have brought us a new design for desktop computers that people will copy, and I'm simply pointing out SONY and TVIX already have products on the market for years that are of of the same shape and idea when it comes to airflow.

As for your server end hardware.....
If we were to talk about that side of things too, no other product does exist in that shape with those specs because it make no sense to do that from a server class point of view. A traditional server design has total flexibility and expandability, it's future proofing is vast, it's repairability is quick and easy, and from a design point of view, air in one end and out the other works just fine for the millions of servers already around the world.

When you consider that, I can easily give you countless reasons why someone should NOT to by that MAC and to buy a traditional server rack unit if that's what they are after.

It's not about circular shape, but it is a whole design and it is pretty interesting.

Only from a visual point of view as it's design is the direct cause of all the limitations that will go with purchasing such a high end unit that you can't even throw a hard disk or a PCI card into.

This “AirFlow” design solves nothing as nobody has computers that overheat these days anyway.

The magic about good product is to make it good overaly.

I agree, but this design limits this computers use where Apple could have just put all this in a traditional case. It wouldn’t have been as pretty looking, but at least it would have made far more sense from an investment point of view.

Anyone buying this will buy it for all it offers as it stands and the fact that it looks very pretty. That's more than enough for many so I'm sure Apple will do well, but I bet you will see a traditional shaped MAC come out with all the same kind of specs at some point in the near future.

Regards
Sharp.

I only recently switched over to Mac (2010)....Up until then all I knew was PC....I agree Mac OS is what makes Mac so great....It's not so much about what is included in the OS as much as what is NOT there....Having a barebones OS is something I don't think Microsoft is capable of doing and has caused me many errors/shut downs while trying to make music over the years....While certainly not the cheapest route going with Mac, it sure is nice to have a blueprint - buy this computer, run this OS, use this hardware, make these tweaks and it will be stable for the most part....This current DAW I have has been a pleasure to work on because of the stability and has been worth the extra expense to me because "it just works"....I still have quite a few years of life left in it before I'm ready to look so who knows, maybe I'll be back to Windows on the next go around?.......One thing for sure is things are going to look a lot different a few years down the road when I'm ready to start looking....moon

Bachus wrote:The only good thing about Macs was not the hardware, as thats allways been way to expenive and inflexible.. The good thing was Mac OS...

Untill recently in my opinion it got surpassed by windows 8... As written before, software designed for touch and flexible hardware are the way to go..

And at a much much cheeper rate..


Running all my vsts on a windows 8 tablet 18" touchscreen wit 16gb and a fast i7 and a 1tb SSD is just awesome... And more then fast enough...

Well its not really a tablet as it is 3" thick and selfbuild...

Sharp wrote:

The picture u provided probably is not anything close to Mac Pro.

Visually it's pretty darn close to me. The Linux TVIX even makes use of the tube shape to optimise airflow through the length of the case.

I do not think that computer contains high end server hardware... lol

Never said it was. I was only addressing the comment you made that you seem to believe Apple have brought us a new design for desktop computers that people will copy, and I'm simply pointing out SONY and TVIX already have products on the market for years that are of of the same shape and idea when it comes to airflow.

As for your server end hardware.....
If we were to talk about that side of things too, no other product does exist in that shape with those specs because it make no sense to do that from a server class point of view. A traditional server design has total flexibility and expandability, it's future proofing is vast, it's repairability is quick and easy, and from a design point of view, air in one end and out the other works just fine for the millions of servers already around the world.

When you consider that, I can easily give you countless reasons why someone should NOT to by that MAC and to buy a traditional server rack unit if that's what they are after.

It's not about circular shape, but it is a whole design and it is pretty interesting.

Only from a visual point of view as it's design is the direct cause of all the limitations that will go with purchasing such a high end unit that you can't even throw a hard disk or a PCI card into.

This “AirFlow” design solves nothing as nobody has computers that overheat these days anyway.

The magic about good product is to make it good overaly.

I agree, but this design limits this computers use where Apple could have just put all this in a traditional case. It wouldn’t have been as pretty looking, but at least it would have made far more sense from an investment point of view.

Anyone buying this will buy it for all it offers as it stands and the fact that it looks very pretty. That's more than enough for many so I'm sure Apple will do well, but I bet you will see a traditional shaped MAC come out with all the same kind of specs at some point in the near future.

Regards
Sharp.

I do not want to say Apple first invented something, i want to say that they invented something which works as overal product and is succseful.

For example many technologies which are brough by Apple with new products existed befor but most of them failed or was not very succseful.
The good example is iPhone. Touch screen technologiy existed befor, but when Apple brought the new Touch screen phone it was looked like revolution, and now days almost awrybody makes touch screen phones and probably call Apple over priced. I bet if Apple would not bring their iPhone we would still use thouse ugly cheaply made cellphones with buttons with cruppy preinstaled no name apps.

I think it is a fakt that Apple leads computer industry because if there was no Apple, most companies just care about money and if something still make money they would not care about improving it, but because there is a strong competion they are forced not to stand still, but unfortionaly most of them do not invent anything but they just copy from others and make price tug smaller...

I do not want to say Apple first invented something, i want to say that they invented something which works as overal product and is succseful.

It's not even been properly released yet so it's early days to call is successful. It's a high risk product for Apple so time will tell.

For example many technologies which are brough by Apple with new products existed befor but most of them failed or was not very succseful.

What technologies are you referring to?
Apple doesn’t have the largest market share of anything they make. Microsoft has a market share 19 times bigger than Apple, and Android has a market share twice the size of Apple and it's pulling ahead even at faster rate as Android devices outsell iOS devices 4 to 1.

The good example is iPhone. Touch screen technologiy existed befor, but when Apple brought the new Touch screen phone it was looked like revolution, and now days almost awrybody makes touch screen phones and probably call Apple over priced. I bet if Apple would not bring their iPhone we would still use thouse ugly cheaply made cellphones with buttons with cruppy preinstaled no name apps[/qoute]

I had a few touch screen smart phones long before Apple ever even made phones. Apple were the late comers to the smart phone market back then so I don't see how you could possible thing they started anything revolutionary.

I think it is a fakt that Apple leads computer industry because if there was no Apple, most companies just care about money and if something still make money they would not care about improving it, but because there is a strong competion they are forced not to stand still, but unfortionaly most of them do not invent anything but they just copy from others and make price tug smaller...

But they don't lead the computer industry. Everything they make has already been made by someone else before them.

Regards
Sharp.