electribe 2, a big disappointment.

[Kcearl]

Ive only owned the EA-1 previously and didnt think much of it...but I think the sound on sound review hit the mark when it said that the new electribe wasnt as huge an improvement as it was a step sideways.

I know Im only using it as a sketchpad, and I do find some strange bugs for a supposedly finished product...but...everytime I pick it up I have a fleshed out idea done in an hour. Ive never had anything feel as instant to me. The battery power is crucial, I have nothing else like this in my arsenal, and I think the modelling sounds good, good enough to make it to tracks.

Ill pick up the sample too likely. And Im pretty sure the bugs will be addressed in time. But perhaps its not the evolution some want.

[apapdop]

That's just it. It's quick quick quick. You fill a patterns worth of 16 parts in no time, there's your backbone of a track DONE. Copy the pattern to the next slot, make some minor/major changes. And again. And again. Practise with the mutes/knob tweaks, fire up the Event Recorder, hit record and jam. Hit stop when you've had enough. Mistakes? Start again. Nailed it? Then there's your track. DONE!! That's the spirit of Electribes - making music does not have to be complicated. Ok, it's not going to make you sound like Squarepusher but there is plenty of scope in it just as it stands, warts and all. It's only gonna get better people... Remember... IT'S JUST A TOOL.

[roblabs]

I think YOU nailed it right there apapdop! Very astute observation and well put. Exactly!

[sonikboom]

That's just it. It's quick quick quick. You fill a patterns worth of 16 parts in no time, there's your backbone of a track DONE. Copy the pattern to the next slot, make some minor/major changes. And again. And again. Practise with the mutes/knob tweaks, fire up the Event Recorder, hit record and jam. Hit stop when you've had enough. Mistakes? Start again. Nailed it? Then there's your track. DONE!! That's the spirit of Electribes - making music does not have to be complicated. Ok, it's not going to make you sound like Squarepusher but there is plenty of scope in it just as it stands, warts and all. It's only gonna get better people... Remember... IT'S JUST A TOOL.

nailed it. and hey they tom picked the name squarepusher well... cuz you know we push squares! youd be suprised what you can do with a simple set up. hell i think hard normal daddy was all him on bass, a sh101 , tb 303 and a couple other doodads on a reel to reel, theres an interview with him from back then and it shows his old ass set up. anyways ... i quite like it so far. its just a fun little cheap box to have fun with. im not sure if people went into it thinking it was going to be the bedroom barn burner machine that took everything else out or what. i mean f*ck its under 500 bux. its exactly in line with what the old tribes did, even though some things may have taken a step backwards.

[N3V3RM1ND]

"Copy the pattern to the next slot"

Am I missing the copy pattern feature? If so, where is it?

Thanks.

[roblabs]

just write the pattern to the next slot.

[thesigma]

I would buy a reincarnation of the RS7000/RM1x without thinking. The Korg did make a good sound module when being sequenced by the Yamaha. But that's not the reason I got mine.

I would love to see a modern rs7000, or anything "groove box" from yamaha. I actually picked up a second hand RS7000 a month ago after deciding the new electribe was not going to be for me. Yamaha gear was always extremely feature laden, with great MIDI implementation, and very powerful. I owned an rm1x back in 2000 but sold it because I couldn't get it to co exist with my electribes ( ea1 and es1 ) in the way I wanted, plus lots of stopping the sequencer and the internal sounds weren't real great. RS7000 has sampling , better filters, and can do most tasks without stoping the sequencer. Still very new to it but as said, patterns can be up to 128 bars! With phrases of different lengths and time signatures. All from a box that's at least 15 years old. Now I know it cost about 3 times what the e2 costs, but technology should get cheaper as time goes by,s soon. That said Its sound engine was just an awm2 rompler so im sure e2 beats it there....

[DimensionX]

I would buy a reincarnation of the RS7000/RM1x without thinking. The Korg did make a good sound module when being sequenced by the Yamaha. But that's not the reason I got mine.

I would love to see a modern rs7000, or anything "groove box" from yamaha. I actually picked up a second hand RS7000 a month ago after deciding the new electribe was not going to be for me. Yamaha gear was always extremely feature laden, with great MIDI implementation, and very powerful. I owned an rm1x back in 2000 but sold it because I couldn't get it to co exist with my electribes ( ea1 and es1 ) in the way I wanted, plus lots of stopping the sequencer and the internal sounds weren't real great. RS7000 has sampling , better filters, and can do most tasks without stoping the sequencer. Still very new to it but as said, patterns can be up to 128 bars! With phrases of different lengths and time signatures. All from a box that's at least 15 years old. Now I know it cost about 3 times what the e2 costs, but technology should get cheaper as time goes by,s soon. That said Its sound engine was just an awm2 rompler so im sure e2 beats it there....

Hey there, did you see my post (page 6)? That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for, can you change sounds without stopping the sequence and add individual fx on each individual sound? Check my post and please let me know if you think thats what I'm looking for!!

[thesigma]

DimensionX

Well first off the rs7k is a rather large machine, about the size of an MPC 4000. I haven't owned it long so I'm not sure about all your needs.

Pretty sure you can not load new samples with the sequencer running because that's on its own separate menu. However I'm not sure why you need to load samples with the sequencer running? It has 64Mb of ram if fully expanded, just load up your samples ahead of time.

What you get is 16 tracks that can be, samples, internal tone generator, or midi only. Samples can be a single sample pitched up or down by the keyboard, or a set of drum samples mapped to the keyboard.

Fx wise Each track has a send for shared( think) delay/chorus, reverb, and multi effect, as well as midi effects like beat stretch, a midi delay, gate time ,swing.midi effects can be unique per track. Also there is A master effect as well.

It has a full synth engine so filter.adsr all fully controllable.

Plenty of knobs and some I believe are assignable to midi cc.

Track mixer and velocity to control volume of sounds.

So to sum it up:

Golly! What an epic thread I started one asking about the pro's and con's of this device and this thread pretty much sums it up thanks!

I haven't purchased the newest electribe sampler (is it esx2?) yet because the cons are almost a deal breaker, but I'm playing on the street and the con's of not having an expensive unit like the octatrack is making me wonder if theres a device with similar but better pro's and con's than this device?

Im understanding that you need to adjust to these kinds of devices so Im already prepared for that, but I do like VERY hi-fi music (listen to tipper, you won't regret it!). I

What I want..

- Ability to load my own one shots/drums while they are sequencing

Don't think so.

- While the sequence the ability to change any of the sounds pitch/filter envelope's attack, hold and delay to create stabby and swelling sounds

Yes

- The ability to control the volume of each sound

Yes

- FX on each individual pad: compressor, reverb, various distortion etc

Midi fx per track, shared delay, reverb, multifx with send per track, master effect.

- Knobs

Yes

I'll spend some time with the unit in the next few days and double check the effects and the sample loading, like i said I've only had it a few weeks and mostly using it to sequence midi gear right now.

[atb1983]

That's just it. It's quick quick quick. You fill a patterns worth of 16 parts in no time, there's your backbone of a track DONE. Copy the pattern to the next slot, make some minor/major changes. And again. And again. Practise with the mutes/knob tweaks, fire up the Event Recorder, hit record and jam. Hit stop when you've had enough. Mistakes? Start again. Nailed it? Then there's your track. DONE!! That's the spirit of Electribes - making music does not have to be complicated. Ok, it's not going to make you sound like Squarepusher but there is plenty of scope in it just as it stands, warts and all. It's only gonna get better people... Remember... IT'S JUST A TOOL.

For me it helps to break this process up into separate jam sessions. One night I'll spend coming up with the parts and patterns. Next night I will "perform" the set and do different takes muting/unmuting the different parts. It seems like if I take a break from it and come back to it fresh, I come up with arrangements that I wouldn't have if I had just done it all in one sitting.

[apapdop]

That's just it. It's quick quick quick. You fill a patterns worth of 16 parts in no time, there's your backbone of a track DONE. Copy the pattern to the next slot, make some minor/major changes. And again. And again. Practise with the mutes/knob tweaks, fire up the Event Recorder, hit record and jam. Hit stop when you've had enough. Mistakes? Start again. Nailed it? Then there's your track. DONE!! That's the spirit of Electribes - making music does not have to be complicated. Ok, it's not going to make you sound like Squarepusher but there is plenty of scope in it just as it stands, warts and all. It's only gonna get better people... Remember... IT'S JUST A TOOL.

For me it helps to break this process up into separate jam sessions. One night I'll spend coming up with the parts and patterns. Next night I will "perform" the set and do different takes muting/unmuting the different parts. It seems like if I take a break from it and come back to it fresh, I come up with arrangements that I wouldn't have if I had just done it all in one sitting.

I'm with you on that, this applies to me too and perhaps i was a little too fired up and excited when i wrote my original post!! But yes, the bulk of a tracks parts can be put together very quickly, so can a few patterns' worth of variations. Then, as you say, comes the practise session, maybe a few tweaks here and there. Then you hit that record button and off you go. Electribes, all along, are about getting ideas together quickly and without fuss. I think quite a few people are missing this point and expect them to be something that they just... aren't.

[bladuck]

hey gang .... congrats 100 replies