Pattern recording Kronos Vs Montage with cubase
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Pattern recording Kronos Vs Montage with cubase
Which one I like both I do use patterns and arpeggios a lot.
If it is just the pattern styling, it is hard to say. If it is how you can work and use the patterns, then there are objective differences.
You will pay more for Montage and still have to pay additional for Karma software running on your computer with Cubase.
You pay less for Kronos and four module Karma is already onboard.
Montage may have workable arpeggiator that allows you to construct custom patterns from scratch, but i can only guess because i have no montage nor interest in it.
Kronos has pattern RPPR which is very versatile but the product of that cannot integrate into Karma on Kronos. You could record RPPR patterns on a track and put Karma patterns on another track to run together in one song.
You can record Karma patterns into RPPR and use RPPR to re-pattern them or customize the pattern, but it will not be accepted back into Karma GE.
You can Get Karma software and be able to customize patterns on your computer. You would have to do that with montage anyway if you wanted Karma with montage.
Yamaha patterns are different from Kronos and Yamaha tends to have more ready-made fills and intros for drum patterns. Some patterns you may like on Yamaha, may not be available on kronos.
Karma is a serious arpeggiator and so elaborate it easily defies being called a common arpeggiator. Missing out on Karma is no fun, in my opinion.
You may want to look at Roland FA-08 for patterns and arps also.
I think you make fewer compromises in overall options if you get Kronos. There are things i like about Roland FA-08 that kronos lacks and maybe one or two things from Montage. But if i had Montage or FA-08, i would be missing a whole lot and half of that would be onboard Karma.
Also the workflow of Kronos is more my liking. When i was learning the system, it drew me in and rarely left me hanging. I sat with Montage a few times and tried learning the system but it quickly lost my interest, it was hard to get drawn into it and easier to get stuck. Even after watching montage tutorials.
Was always easy to get into kronos and find everything and anything, the hard part was figuring out what it all does. Montage was like knowing what i wanted and i would know it if i saw it, but the navigation routine is like a cipher, rarely as simple as one button press to enter an area to find a straight forward screen of options and menus. Montage is more of a cipher game before navigations flows easily. Those bred in Yamaha workstations take it for granted because they know the navigation language but i think it is a harder one to deal with when learning from scratch.
I have had roland, yamaha, kurzweil, alesis and korg work stations, but when i got my first Korg workstation (triton extreme), i easily got into more functions and possibilites that i could never figure out on the other brands. It was the navigation and ease of interpretation of what i was looking at that made all the difference on Korg.
You will pay more for Montage and still have to pay additional for Karma software running on your computer with Cubase.
You pay less for Kronos and four module Karma is already onboard.
Montage may have workable arpeggiator that allows you to construct custom patterns from scratch, but i can only guess because i have no montage nor interest in it.
Kronos has pattern RPPR which is very versatile but the product of that cannot integrate into Karma on Kronos. You could record RPPR patterns on a track and put Karma patterns on another track to run together in one song.
You can record Karma patterns into RPPR and use RPPR to re-pattern them or customize the pattern, but it will not be accepted back into Karma GE.
You can Get Karma software and be able to customize patterns on your computer. You would have to do that with montage anyway if you wanted Karma with montage.
Yamaha patterns are different from Kronos and Yamaha tends to have more ready-made fills and intros for drum patterns. Some patterns you may like on Yamaha, may not be available on kronos.
Karma is a serious arpeggiator and so elaborate it easily defies being called a common arpeggiator. Missing out on Karma is no fun, in my opinion.
You may want to look at Roland FA-08 for patterns and arps also.
I think you make fewer compromises in overall options if you get Kronos. There are things i like about Roland FA-08 that kronos lacks and maybe one or two things from Montage. But if i had Montage or FA-08, i would be missing a whole lot and half of that would be onboard Karma.
Also the workflow of Kronos is more my liking. When i was learning the system, it drew me in and rarely left me hanging. I sat with Montage a few times and tried learning the system but it quickly lost my interest, it was hard to get drawn into it and easier to get stuck. Even after watching montage tutorials.
Was always easy to get into kronos and find everything and anything, the hard part was figuring out what it all does. Montage was like knowing what i wanted and i would know it if i saw it, but the navigation routine is like a cipher, rarely as simple as one button press to enter an area to find a straight forward screen of options and menus. Montage is more of a cipher game before navigations flows easily. Those bred in Yamaha workstations take it for granted because they know the navigation language but i think it is a harder one to deal with when learning from scratch.
I have had roland, yamaha, kurzweil, alesis and korg work stations, but when i got my first Korg workstation (triton extreme), i easily got into more functions and possibilites that i could never figure out on the other brands. It was the navigation and ease of interpretation of what i was looking at that made all the difference on Korg.
Check out these Karma videos as it also applies to Kronos, and then follow up on the 8 different episodes of the demo videos.
Then search for videos of a Montage doing the same without external Karma software involved.
https://youtu.be/yNHjGUb5cnY
https://youtu.be/2jJK18XWKo0
Kronos does all that from internal, out of the box, standing alone.
You may prefer Yamaha beats and i prefer some of them, but just not enough to miss out on all the heaps of good stuff in Kronos.
Then search for videos of a Montage doing the same without external Karma software involved.
https://youtu.be/yNHjGUb5cnY
https://youtu.be/2jJK18XWKo0
Kronos does all that from internal, out of the box, standing alone.
You may prefer Yamaha beats and i prefer some of them, but just not enough to miss out on all the heaps of good stuff in Kronos.
Thanks for the replays I have Moxf6 so I am familiar with Yamaha workload and I found Montage better but complicated in a way that by time you prepare all presets you lose the inspiration I also had Korg M50 and thanks to the pads it was faster workload so I think that Kronos with nano pad added will help me do songs faster i.e less tweaking and more creating I hope 
These Karma videos are so awesome! Always a joy to watch Stephen perform19naia wrote:Check out these Karma videos as it also applies to Kronos, and then follow up on the 8 different episodes of the demo videos.
Then search for videos of a Montage doing the same without external Karma software involved.
https://youtu.be/yNHjGUb5cnY
https://youtu.be/2jJK18XWKo0
Kronos does all that from internal, out of the box, standing alone.
You may prefer Yamaha beats and i prefer some of them, but just not enough to miss out on all the heaps of good stuff in Kronos.
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SanderXpander
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Pattern based sequencing is pretty awful on the Kronos and non-existent on Montage. I'm not saying it can't be done but it really can't be compared to DAW solutions like Ableton, Reason or FruityLoops. If you want to add and remove instruments and loops while audio is running I think Ableton Live is your best bet.