Possible to extract programs?

[JBKey]

New to the Kronos (have a Kronos 2 88key) and have a "simple" question.

Have purchase a few "packs" with sounds on the shop.korg.com website and it is not possible to load them all into the Kronos because the required memory is to much.

Is it possible to exctract only a few of the "Instrument" that I want from each Pack?

Example:
Pack 1 contains 220 programs
Pack 2 contains 178 programs
Pack 3 contains 192 programs
Pack 4 contains 208 programs

Loading all would require to much memory and I really only need 15-20 programs from each pack.

Is this possible? And if so, how do I do that?

[GregC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SxbRXKZCFs

I recommend this Korg video. Its the ksc files that occupy load memory, not necessarily select Programs.

Kronos 'auto loads ' ksc files. What useful is that you can be selective . For example, I 'uncheck ' the Berlin from auto load. This frees up memory to auto load other 3rd party samples.

Once you solve this step, you can selectively 'preview ' Programs before installing all of them.

There are some other techniques to manage 3rd party samples. You can also wait for other suggestions.

[JBKey]

Thanks GregC,

Is the Berlin a separate KCS in your Kronos? Dont see it in mine?

But do I understand you correct that I cant achive what I want? You need to load the entire KCS file which contains all of the sounds/programs/combinations, and there is no way to extract parts of it?

[GregC]

Thanks GregC,

Is the Berlin a separate KCS in your Kronos? Dont see it in mine?

But do I understand you correct that I cant achive what I want? You need to load the entire KCS file which contains all of the sounds/programs/combinations, and there is no way to extract parts of it?

I don't have your exact K. But you can see what KSC's are auto loaded. The acoustic pianos typically take up a chunk of RAM needed for auto load.
I could be wrong, I thought the K2's included the Berlin AP.

I don't think you can ' break up " [ or reduce] the KSC file in order to pick and choose what Programs you ultimately want to use. Maybe someone else has tried that and was successful.

[Sweat]

I don't think you can ' break up " [ or reduce] the KSC file in order to pick and choose what Programs you ultimately want to use. Maybe someone else has tried that and was successful.

Yes you can! They are called User Sample Banks, explained on p.170 of the Operation Guide, and discussed in this very good thread:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 39&start=0

Although it is not for the weak at heart (somewhat of a learning curve), it is extremely powerful to know for those that have large sound libraries needing to manage the amount of RAM, by only loading individual multisamples you need from a EXs in a .KSC file. In this way, you can even create your own personalized PRELOAD.KSC.

I rarely use full drum kits, only a few percussion sounds located in EXs8(Rock Ambience Drums) and EXs9(Jazz Ambience Drums). On my Kronos, I unloaded all multisamples from these libraries except the ones I use. Then created a User Sample Bank. It now loads faster, and less filling.

Easier to learn at first is simply knowing how to load/unload full .KSC files, as shown in the video GregC mentions above. Unloading a .KSC for a large piano library like Berlin(EXs17), German(EXs6), Japanese(EXs7) can release a lot of RAM usage.

Of course, the tedious part is being aware of programs that reference what you might need. If you unload Berlin(EXs17) for example, obvious are programs with 'Berlin' in the name, but a few like Let It Be Piano and In My Life Piano use those multisamples too.

[GregC]

Thats good to know, thanks !

Not on topic, but I use most of the drum kits on Kronos.

are you into drums and use something else, like BFD ?

[Sweat]

Sure, I use other drum kit libraries, but Kronos drums are great too. I only unload Kronos drums for live gigs since I don't need them, but often reload them to use in my studio.

My custom user sample bank will continue to be updated to free RAM for just what I need. In addition to drum libraries EXs8 and EXs9, I will include drum samples from EXs1. Although they are excellent quality, I found that most of the EXs1 multisamples are loaded by default, unreferenced by a Program and using RAM. Perhaps many Kronos users don't even know about them since they are not referenced by a factory Program.

Making RAM available for addition libraries can be a concern, but I may have digressed. Instead, the OP might be asking about loading individual Programs or Combis. Of course, this can easily be done and is explained on p.211 of the Op Guide.

[tunaman]

New to the Kronos (have a Kronos 2 88key) and have a "simple" question.

Have purchase a few "packs" with sounds on the shop.korg.com website and it is not possible to load them all into the Kronos because the required memory is to much.

Is it possible to exctract only a few of the "Instrument" that I want from each Pack?

Example:
Pack 1 contains 220 programs
Pack 2 contains 178 programs
Pack 3 contains 192 programs
Pack 4 contains 208 programs

Loading all would require to much memory and I really only need 15-20 programs from each pack.

Is this possible? And if so, how do I do that?

Are you actually concerned about 'memory' (RAM) usage, or the number of slots (Bank ID's) the programs consume? This may be terminology confusion?

As mentioned above, samples are loaded (well, can be, unless being loaded from disk) into memory and consume available RAM. If you try to load too many samples, you can consume all of the available RAM memory.

For Programs which don't depend upon external samples, or which merely rely on the internal engines to generate their sound, it is very simple to load them in alternate locations from their default. This can be done one at a time, selectively, or in bulk as long as you have sufficient contiguous unused slots available.

You can also choose to load en entire bank to an alternate bank, should that be necessary, again as long as there are no hard-coded dependencies on new samples.

You can also do the same with Combi's, although this gets more time consuming and challenging. I highly suggest installing PCGTools, should anyone find that they need to remap Combi's extracted from within a PCG file as it allows you to easily identify the Programs associated with each timbre and correct the mappings.

For straight Program redirection, open the PCG file in Disk mode and navigate into the Programs 'folder'. keep drilling down until you locate the Program(s) you wish to import, then select the specific Programs and tap Load.

At the bottom of the dialog box, you can select an alternative location for the Program(s) - just be sure that you have enough empty slots to store the new Programs, or that you don't care if the existing Programs are overwritten (and aren't in use somewhere in a Combination).