Reached 15048 Samples

[Xx_Joey_xX]

Hello

So with OS3 for the pa4x users can use up to 1.5 of sample RAM.
I used about 700 MB so far however I can't add any more USER SAMPLES cause I've reached 15048 samples. To recap in the PA4X you're limited by the number of samples you can use not only SAMPLE RAM which is pretty crazy.
I have 800 MB of sample ram that I can't utilize because the OS can't read beyond 15048 samples. Simple logic would say this is something that can be fixed via OS update. Then again not sure what the pa4x hardware can handle or how it's optimized.

[midimusa]

~800000 kB ÷ 15048 samples = ~ 53kB for one sample. What kind samples You use?

[korg1]

This is something they should have unlocked via Os,still nothing though
It's not that hard to release the sample locations limit i believe,
they just ignore it,
till they know what the new flagship will look like for sure,
then it's possible to just give us an update......or not!!!

[siebenhirter]

~800000 kB ÷ 15048 samples = ~ 53kB for one sample. What kind samples You use?

Depending on the application the average size / duration of a sample is not an criterion, because it is up to the user if, for example, short snippets / time slices of 0.06 seconds are sufficient for his needs.

At 44100 Hz / 16 bit you can fill a memory of 1.5 GB with 15000 samples (a 105 KB, 1.2 seconds running time) before it becomes full.

If you fill the memory with short samples (a 5.2 KB, 0.06 sec), then 15,000 such samples only take up 76 MB - i.e. only 5% of the available memory space.

For such applications, the number of samples could be increased to 300,000 without exceeding the storage volume of 1.5 GB. Depending on the needs, this doesn't seem very realistic, because there are certainly users who rather rate the average size of a sample of 105 KB as a limitation for 15,000 samples.

[siebenhirter]

sorry postin twice

[Aripearlmusic]

i have 1.37gb compressed with 14361 samples so far. i could likely get to 1.5gb and very close to the sample limit by loading another sampled piano

[Xx_Joey_xX]

Hello

I am using mainly USER DRUM/Percussion kits plus LOOPS.
The 4X had a handicapped OS from day one. This really should be addressed it's crazy.

[korg1]

I couldn't agree more Joey,you're right about that.....
Unfortunately,many users don't dig into keyboard so much to see that.

[siebenhirter]

I couldn't agree more Joey,you're right about that.....
Unfortunately,many users don't dig into keyboard so much to see that.

I do not believe that, but think that not many users are concerned with using samples primarily to produce user drum / percussion kits plus loops - but rather use very long samples for melody and pad sounds, whereby they tend not to reach the limits of samples amount, than reach the limits of the available storage volume for user samples.

[Asena]

Im my work i use lot of Sliced loop,s and that ones eats the Number som samples,

So for me and manny of the users this has been a huge limitation.

I hope KORG can solve this in some day.

This is really important to manny of the user.

KORG PLS

[korg1]

siebenhirter, sample limitation is just a 1% of the problem,
i was reffering mostly on the whole Os,
which really was a handicapped OS since day one.

I will never forget that for almost a year ,i had to leave it at home,
and use a pa800 instead,because of freeze problems.
Never had a problem like that with a brand new keyboard,ever.

As i ve said several times,
there will be someone who will create
a stable arranger app,even being able to play both Yamaha and Korg formats,
and all this will be just a bad old story and memories....
No 4000 for an arranger anymore,no handicapped Os ,
no new flagship every 2-4 years.

Yamaha and Korg should think wise this time......

[Korghelper]

There’s a lot of arranger users that never spent much time with REX loops, so it’s unsurprising that many of them don’t see how the sample limit is easily exceeded.

But put it this way...

One 4/4 loop, four bars long, with a 16th note division = 64 samples.

64 samples X 4 different Variations = 256 samples

4 X 2 bar fills = 128 samples

3 Endings X 8 bars = 384 samples

3 X 4 bar Intros = 192

Total of 960 samples. For ONE style.

Now, 15000 samples don’t sound like a whole lot, does it?

Obviously, that’s an extreme example, some rhythms don’t need slices every single 16/th, but some do. Some need more. Perhaps now some people understand how the sample limit seems so limiting...

I understand that some of the Ketron audio drum style library is available from Ajamsonic recently, but I haven’t yet found out how many samples each style uses, but obviously, the sample number limit will impact how many you can load at one time, especially if you have other loops loaded.

It’s time to insist that this arbitrary limit is lifted with the NEXT OS in its next incarnation.

[korg1]

i had never count my loops, but i just did.
So,my loops are 203 plus 135 pad loops,plus 40 drum kits which many of them share same stuff or even factory.
All other sounds are samples,and there are many empty slots on some program banks.
My sample size is 661.04Mb,
drumsamples=856
multisamples=798
samples=15023

[siebenhirter]

... sample limitation is just a 1% of the problem ......

Some of us want to use loops (Pa-User know it as Midi-Groove), some other of us do not use loops and recommend to keep the set organized (not to oversample, no use of loops) and next - like me - get annoyed when features for style player suddenly disappear with each new midrange product series, while other users do not lack these features because are satisfied with the remaining standard functions and are already even then cheering about some new factory presets and factory styles, if these only can be switched in setlist with ugly interruptions etc.

KORG is to be blamed for
- if OS is not stable - they would be obliged to fix it immediately;
- if the capacity is limited to 15,000 samples, then it should also be published (in promotions of her new product) that the device is not suitable for applications with loops - or it should be updated timely;
- if functions have been restricted compared to their predecessors, this should be published (in promotions of her new product) - or should be updated timely.

... a lot of arranger users that never spent much time with REX loops ....

It will even be true, that a lot of arranger users never spent time with REX loops - why should they, as long as Pa4x is not compatible with Rex-files?

Also it is getting confused by the mean of "Loop" and "Sliced Loop" for arranger users. "Loop" as you meant is a term you won't find in any manual of a Pa-arranger. But "Audio Groove" that is a term that has been known for many years and can be used in Pa-Sampler like the audio files from ReCycle in case its individual slices are triggered via MIDI notes.

How to use audio grooves for Pa-Styles is described under "Creating Audio Groove Slices with Time Slicing", but generated samples also can be used like all other samples (within Multisamples and regular sounds). But also when using MIDI-grooves each Note-Event of the groove is a sample triggered via MIDI note (and no real Audio).
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Users who mainly work with MIDI grooves have probably always known why sample limit seems so limiting with Pa-Arrangers. It is the amount of separate samples for each style-element you get as you described.

So there really is a shortage of sample slots for users that like to work with MIDI-grooves.

Who never used MIDI-grooves won't have noticed a shortage for slots of sounds, but I think it is to realize that the NEED for using MIDI-grooves is a legitimate one.

[Aripearlmusic]

I find that many of the people that complain as far as a sample limit are not familiar with the potential of sound mode. I also find that they have dozens upon dozens of copies or very close to it of the same sample which can very easily be recreated using one sample and an LFO. Loops are great time savers to start ideas but the reason why they are so popular in a studio setting is because they Fast track the workflow. Nobody's counting the samples in their daw because at the end of the day you bounce one track after the mix. I have yet to find a single loop that can't be made smaller and sound better by using fewer chops loaded into a drum kit and then using proper midi sequencing and taking advantage of the onboard mixing. Because you can sidechain, pitch, filter, bus mix, automate fx sends and so much more there just isn't a need for loops beyond idea starters