Routing Outputs

H.I.M · Post by **H.I.M** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 pm

Anybody routing sections into separate outputs into a mixer?
Can you route the keys into left, the vocals Right, the bass into Output 1, the drums into Output 2, etc... to run them separately to the mixer?
I'm doing some EDM and I need the bass and kick booming
Thanks!

H.I.M · Post by **H.I.M** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:34 pm

Ok I got the kick and bass separated on outputs 1 & 2 and have them eq'd a booming
I still trying to find a way to separate the mic on it's own output
I didn't know if you could have all outputs active at the same time and you can

Korghelper · Post by **Korghelper** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:44 pm

The direct outs lose all effects. And the send effects are returned to the stereo outs no matter how hard you pan the source.

Honestly, until this is sorted, unless you do ALL your effects externally (and this means one reverb amount for the entire kit, not individual sends per drum) the direct outs are close to useless. About the only thing I can think of that’s practical would be to split the bass Part out to a proper bass amp for a live gig with a drummer and guitarist, etc. (they REALLY like to hear the bass coming from a different place than the keyboards!).

It’s not like it can’t be done… the venerable Kurzweil K2500 with the KDFX board could route effected sounds to alternate outputs. But it’s a pretty expensive feature, needing separate FX processors and separate D/A converters that rarely get used in normal operation.

You want that degree of separation and still use effects, I’d look more into separate products for each sound…

H.I.M · Post by **H.I.M** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:05 pm

Korghelper wrote:The direct outs lose all effects. And the send effects are returned to the stereo outs no matter how hard you pan the source.

Honestly, until this is sorted, unless you do ALL your effects externally (and this means one reverb amount for the entire kit, not individual sends per drum) the direct outs are close to useless. About the only thing I can think of that’s practical would be to split the bass Part out to a proper bass amp for a live gig with a drummer and guitarist, etc. (they REALLY like to hear the bass coming from a different place than the keyboards!).

It’s not like it can’t be done… the venerable Kurzweil K2500 with the KDFX board could route effected sounds to alternate outputs. But it’s a pretty expensive feature, needing separate FX processors and separate D/A converters that rarely get used in normal operation.

You want that degree of separation and still use effects, I’d look more into separate products for each sound…

Thanks man!
I'll leave vocals in the left/right's
Until I get it sounding right I'll keep using my external voice processor
One of the reasons I upgraded from the PA1000 was for the better vocal section. I'll dial it in eventually.
I really like the drums separated so I can boost them as big as I need so I leave those on the Outs

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:21 am

H.I.M wrote:I'll leave vocals in the left/right's

Not necessary.....
I always have my vocals routed to OUTPUT 1 & 2 with the FX I desire - they are not dry.
Vocal presets can be configured to set reverb, delay, umod etc - they have their own FX mixer plus you can further manage the delay/reverb with the DELAY/REVERB knob.
These settings are routed through OUTPUT 1 & 2 so you will not necessarily require an external voice FX processor.

See page 549 onwards in the latest manual:-

The manual wrote:Effects can add ambience, improve or transform your lead voice and the
added voices. They are always included in any Voice Preset as separate FX
blocks, that you can turn on/off or edit.

Give it a try.

But if you want to have the drums on one of these OUTPUTS (1 & 2) then you may have a issue to overcome - MIC can only be routed to L&R or 1&2

Cheers

Pete

H.I.M · Post by **H.I.M** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:01 pm

karmathanever wrote:
H.I.M wrote:I'll leave vocals in the left/right's
Not necessary.....
I always have my vocals routed to OUTPUT 1 & 2 with the FX I desire - they are not dry.
Vocal presets can be configured to set reverb, delay, umod etc - they have their own FX mixer plus you can further manage the delay/reverb with the DELAY/REVERB knob.
These settings are routed through OUTPUT 1 & 2 so you will not necessarily require an external voice FX processor.

See page 549 onwards in the latest manual:-
The manual wrote:Effects can add ambience, improve or transform your lead voice and the
added voices. They are always included in any Voice Preset as separate FX
blocks, that you can turn on/off or edit.
Give it a try.

But if you want to have the drums on one of these OUTPUTS (1 & 2) then you may have a issue to overcome - MIC can only be routed to L&R or 1&2

Cheers

Pete

Thanks Pete!
I'll set up the vocals on Outs 1&2 and give it a shot and see what I can do about the drums
One of the reasons I upgraded to the 4x was to have the vocal effects/talk over etc on the keyboard instead of reaching for another box all the time

Korghelper · Post by **Korghelper** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:14 pm

Quick question to the OP….

If the mix is going to the same speakers from all your gear, why does it matter if you boost the drums at the main mixer or inside the PA4X?

Don’t forget, if you’ve run out of headroom to boost the drums, cutting everything else and boosting the overall volume achieves the same thing. Bottom line, you are trading one mixer for another, but the one inside the arranger is programmable and storable. Get it right one time, hit store, it’s good to go forever…

H.I.M · Post by **H.I.M** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:13 pm

Korghelper wrote:Quick question to the OP….

If the mix is going to the same speakers from all your gear, why does it matter if you boost the drums at the main mixer or inside the PA4X?

Don’t forget, if you’ve run out of headroom to boost the drums, cutting everything else and boosting the overall volume achieves the same thing. Bottom line, you are trading one mixer for another, but the one inside the arranger is programmable and storable. Get it right one time, hit store, it’s good to go forever…

I'm still new to the capabilities of the 4x. I saw that I could use the faders but I haven't got them set up the way I want them yet.
What do you mean store the settings?
Thanks man!

H.I.M · Post by **H.I.M** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:13 pm

Korghelper wrote:Quick question to the OP….

If the mix is going to the same speakers from all your gear, why does it matter if you boost the drums at the main mixer or inside the PA4X?

Don’t forget, if you’ve run out of headroom to boost the drums, cutting everything else and boosting the overall volume achieves the same thing. Bottom line, you are trading one mixer for another, but the one inside the arranger is programmable and storable. Get it right one time, hit store, it’s good to go forever…

I'm still new to the capabilities of the 4x. I saw that I could use the faders but I haven't got them set up the way I want them yet.
What do you mean store the settings?
Thanks man!