Bug? There is a problem that the sound's in the STS become..

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:03 pm

hi to everyone,

There is a problem that the sound's in the STS become different when I play them with a song [midi] that I record with 4 variations.

I must to explain the procedure.

When I record a song, and playing it with the chord's, and the "low" sound is on to, and it is changing automatic with every variation, [-single touch-flashing] [in time of the record].
[And there are 4 different sound's in the "up 1, 2, 3" for each variation, that I do not play them in time of the record procedure]
When the midi is ready, and want to play it in "song play" mode [only the note's with the same "up 1,2,3" sound's], if I will play it with the same STS that I record the song with, and do not play it compatibly each STS to each variation that was record in the midi, [for example -using one STS for all the variation's],
Something will go wrong with the sound, [volume? + effect?], and it will change, in time of playing the measures in the another variation in the midi song.

And it will happened also if you will choose other performance then those that you record with them.

IN OTHER WORDS I DO NOT HAVE A WAY TO PLAY LIVE WITH MIDI WITHOUT PROBLEMS [or to record], AND TO CHOOSE DIFFERENT PERFORMANCE FOR DIFFERENT PARTY.

I test it with original STS and STYLE of Korg, without to change it, and it happened to.

[It is happening if you record with 3 fingered cords or one finger cord].

I fonde a way to stop [in time of playing] the change's -[volume? + effect?], if I press the same button of the STS that i am playing. But you can not work like that.

And I want to make my STS and STYLE for the song's records, or live playing.

If I will change to another STS to stop the change's [it work's!] there is time's that the lower sound that was record in the midi, change [volume?] or mute. And can not be heard with all the other STS.
[It is not depending if in the STS [that you are playing with the midi song], the lower 4 is mute or with a different sound. I have tray that.]
[With harmonica sounds in the up 1, 2, 3, And pad in the lower 4 [when it was record] you can fill it more].

In the 1.2 OS there was a big change in the sound, and in the 1.5\1.51 OS it is better,
But still go wrong.

Have someone know if there is a way to fix it?

Is it a bug?

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:00 pm

HI again,

please, please, please,

can someone check it on his KB, [pa800, or pa2x, pa1x...]
maybe i have problam with the KB hardwer? [and need to send it back to be fix]
And if not, I can be sure that it is a "bug",
please, enyone there .... hello...
avi.

With "quick record"-
please, record a song\midi by using all 4 variation ,
keep that you have 4 different up, and different lower to every STS.

record jast the accompaniment, with chord, end the 4 track [lower] will be on to, [make the volum of track 4 to be hearing good, and I suggest to choose sounds of pad or strings to the lower track],

when you record, keep that the "single touch" button is flickering [meens that when you will change the variation on time of playing the record, the lower will change to]
[don't play the nots of the 3 UP tracks when recording]
when you finished to record and you have the midi save,

play it with the STS, BUT change the the corresponding of the STS from the orginal way that you record,
meens- that if STS 1 was playing with variation 1, now play it with VAR2 or VAR3, or jast choose different performance to play with the song and play the one of the STS from the performance that you have choose, with all the song.

I suggest to choose STS that have sounds of "solo dist. gtr" in the up traks or "harmonica" or "accordion",
with those sounds that I suggest to you, I think that you will see the distortion with the sound more clear,

When playing the song, and when the variation of the record midi will change to another, and you are still playing the "nots" with the same STS,
The sound of the STS will change\distortion.

THAT IS the problam that I have,
Das it happening with your KB to?

please pal,

avi.

galettouille · Post by **galettouille** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:49 pm

When you record STS changes in a midifile, you record C D effects changes to.
When you play this song in "song play" mode, C D FXs change according to what you recorded and according to the STS you choose live. And theses effects applied to the parts you recorded and to the parts you're playing, at the same time. So if you recorded STS "disto guit" bar 6, and choose STS "harmonica" bar 5 during the playback, the disto FX will apply to the harmonica sound at bar 6.

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:33 pm

galettouille wrote:When you record STS changes in a midifile, you record C D effects changes to.
When you play this song in "song play" mode, C D FXs change according to what you recorded and according to the STS you choose live. And theses effects applied to the parts you recorded and to the parts you're playing, at the same time. So if you recorded STS "disto guit" bar 6, and choose STS "harmonica" bar 5 during the playback, the disto FX will apply to the harmonica sound at bar 6.

DEAR galettouille!

THENK YOU VERY VERY MUCH!

Thenks g-d!
Hear is someone that understan and can explain what is the problam!
thenk you for your response.

But i did not understand what do you mean at your explain-
"So if you recorded STS "disto guit" bar 6, and choose STS "harmonica" bar 5 during the playback, the disto FX will apply to the harmonica sound at bar 6"

Can you please explain it more, in simple English, [My English is not so good...]
And explain to me how i need to record,
that the distortion of the sound will not happened?

thenk you very very much!

AVI.

galettouille · Post by **galettouille** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:57 pm

My english is not good to.

Suppose. You've recorded an STS change at measure (bar) 6. This was a "disto guit" STS. When you are in song play mode, the D FX change automatically to a "disto" type FX at bar 6. If you are playing a flute sound, or any other sound, the disto FX will apply to it.

So don't record STS changes during the recording of the song if you know that you will change STS during playing.

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:39 pm

galettouille wrote:My english is not good to.

Suppose. You've recorded an STS change at measure (bar) 6. This was a "disto guit" STS. When you are in song play mode, the D FX change automatically to a "disto" type FX at bar 6. If you are playing a flute sound, or any other sound, the disto FX will apply to it.

So don't record STS changes during the recording of the song if you know that you will change STS during playing.

HI galettouille.

and thank you again!

you said-
"don't record STS changes during the recording of the song if you know that you will change STS during playing"

How can I do not record STS changes during the recording,
How can I define that the STS changes will not be record?

can you explain to me please,

AVI.

galettouille · Post by **galettouille** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:30 am

At first mute the lower before recording.
Once you've recorded the styles parts, press the record button again and choose Multitrack Sequencer. Now you can record tracks 1 to 8 manually, and when you choose a sound during the recording, the change will be recorded. Using "overdub" you can record the sounds changing first, and the notes at a second recording. without erasing the sound change.The effects will not change.

keys · Post by **keys** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:30 am

Maybe another way is to edit the STS before recording so that the STS with the Flute only has, say, Reverb as its effect and turn off all other effects, whilst the STS disto gtr can have the appropriate overdrive effects apply to it. AFAIK the effects are saved with each STS.
Dennis

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:05 pm

galettouille wrote:At first mute the lower before recording.
Once you've recorded the styles parts, press the record button again and choose Multitrack Sequencer. Now you can record tracks 1 to 8 manually, and when you choose a sound during the recording, the change will be recorded. Using "overdub" you can record the sounds changing first, and the notes at a second recording. without erasing the sound change.The effects will not change.

HI,
If I'm understend you correctly,
In other words you say:
live the work with "Quick record" [you can not fix it there, AND you can not record the lower in one take...] and work with "Multitrack Sequencer",
Fix the problam-IGNOR!
WORK IN OTHER L O N G - W A Y!

I was asking you-
How can I do not record STS changes during the recording,
How can I define that the STS changes will not be record?
AND I MEEN- WITH "Quick record"!
Is there a way to work in "Quick record" OR we have a BUG by working there?

Best regards,
AVI.

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:40 pm

keys wrote:Maybe another way is to edit the STS before recording so that the STS with the Flute only has, say, Reverb as its effect and turn off all other effects, whilst the STS disto gtr can have the appropriate overdrive effects apply to it. AFAIK the effects are saved with each STS.
Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Thenk you for response,

I did not try it,

I find an idea for work- To make all the 3up to be the same in all the 4 STS and only to change the lower in every different record,
And it is nice, when I'm playing the midi with all different instrument,

BUT in that way, I need to to build all the 3UP to be the same in every style that I choose for the record, and to make a new style.
it is not easy for working....
I can not jast take a style and record with it,
If there was an option to control that problam [If it's not a bug] when I am recording with the "Quick record" [like a definition to cancel the bad influence when the midi will record with out the 3UP] it was more useful for work.

And now, i'm thinking about that again, and i'm sure that it is a bug,
Because, if I'm saving a midi and did not record anything in the 3UP, there is no reason that the FX there [Of the 3up of the STS] will be save!
G-D help us.

best regards
AVI.

galettouille · Post by **galettouille** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:24 pm

Use the Songbook. With it you can recall the midifile and 4 STS at once. If you didn't record any STS during the Quick record, each STS will play with it's own FX.
After the quick record, and before saving, you can route the lower track to FX AB. It will not change during playback.

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:14 pm

galettouille wrote:Use the Songbook. With it you can recall the midifile and 4 STS at once. If you didn't record any STS during the Quick record, each STS will play with it's own FX.
After the quick record, and before saving, you can route the lower track to FX AB. It will not change during playback.

Thank you again,

But I am useing the STS when recording, [for 4 different sounds in the lower when playing them with the chords],
And I still do not understand how to route the lower track to FX AB, [before saving], can you please explain the procedure?
AND if the 3UP in the 4 STS are influential, like it seems to be [because-when that they are the same in all 4STS it das not happend], way do you think that it will halp? have you try it?
[I have try to delet the 3 empty UP of the midi [after it saved], and it did not make a change, maybe you are right that it need to be befor saving the midi and working with the lower]

AVI.

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:10 pm

AVI6520 wrote: ....I have try to delet the 3 empty UP of the midi [after it saved], and it did not make a change, maybe you are right that it need to be befor saving the midi and working with the lower]

AVI.

HI to every one,

[yes, it "hell" to me to to speak about it again too!]

Now I have found that if you will delet the 3UP, NOT with the option of the "song edit" of the PA800, but with Qubasis for example, [If it was open with 16 track of midi in it],
IT WORK! AND THE distortion OF THE STS WHEN playing with midi, will disappear!
THAT NEANS THAT THE 3UP ARE MAKING THE PROBLAM, BECAUSE, EVEN THAT YOU NOT RECORD THEM, THAY SAVING SAMTING [FX?] OF THE STS THERE!
My hop that KORG will understand that there is time that people do not making record of the 3UP with "Quick record", end the program do not nead to make 3UP in the midi! there was no "notes" in the track, do not make that track in the midi! [with memory of FX or somthing else].
That can save us from this problams.

By the way -That open my eyes to see something else.
The styls from TECHNICS, or ROLAND [Bounus in the web site], that are NOT for the PA800, [They are for the PA1x\pro!]
Even that you can play them good with the PA800,
If you are using them for recording midi,
IT WILL NOT SAVE LIKE MIDI WITH 16 TRACK. If you will opened it with Qubasis for example, it will be the type that all the 16 track are in one track.
[And surely that you can not delet the 3UP then].

galettouille · Post by **galettouille** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:30 pm

The Pa2x sequencer recorded some events like System Exclusive, but it doesn't show them. So you can't delete them individually. The FX settings are made using system exclusive, so it's not easy to find them and delete them.
PA Styles are "Midi 0" type, so all tracks are merged. But a lot a software sequencers can "explode" track and make one track per midi channel.

AVI6520 · Post by **AVI6520** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:57 pm

galettouille wrote:The Pa2x sequencer recorded some events like System Exclusive, but it doesn't show them. So you can't delete them individually. The FX settings are made using system exclusive, so it's not easy to find them and delete them.
PA Styles are "Midi 0" type, so all tracks are merged. But a lot a software sequencers can "explode" track and make one track per midi channel.

HI galettouille

Thenk you for response.

I mean that the MIDI SONG
"will not SAVE LIKE MIDI WITH 16 TRACK. If you will opened it with Qubasis for example, it will be the type that all the 16 track are in one track".
[And do not like the songs that you make with stayles from the PA800 [That become type GM2]
I did not mean the STYLE.
Sory that I did not explain my self clearly.

AVI.

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