how to edit full style and rhythums with cubase sx

[wisha]

hello all of you guys ..
i heard that somthing is possible to make or edit a **.Set with cubase sx Software. i want to know if its possible if anyone who can help me with making or editing each beat, style, rhythums and **.SET with Cubase sx i would be thanksfull.
thanks
with regards
wisha

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Wisha,

Maybe read the thread about making styles with Band in a Box? Cubase can only be the starting point for making MIDI files ...

In outline:

You have to prepare several suitable MIDI files in Cubase, one for each style variation, intro1, var1, var2, end1 etc
Then import each of the MIDI files as a style element on Pa2x
Then clean up the styles using the Pa2x editor
Then export and save your .SET file later

[wisha]

thanks.
i didnt get it totaly what you meant, .. what i need to know is, if i have a total Set in flash memory , can i edit that SET folder in cubase, to add more midi files or PCM files or to exchange some beats with another SETS ?? as i can do it on my pa800. but it take long time loading editing and saving .... i hope i get done this on cubase, it will be easy with a big screen on PC..

thanks, i dont have cubase i want to buy one to make seqnz...and SET folders ...

please help me out,

[Rob Sherratt]

thanks. i didnt get it totaly what you meant, .. what i need to know is, if i have a total Set in flash memory , can i edit that SET folder in cubase,

No, not in Cubase

to add more midi files or PCM files or to exchange some beats with another SETS ??

No, not in Cubase

as i can do it on my pa800. but it take long time loading editing and saving .... i hope i get done this on cubase, it will be easy with a big screen on PC.. thanks, i dont have cubase i want to buy one to make seqnz...and SET folders ... please help me out,

Wisha, sorry to be blunt but if what you wrote above is what you hope to do with Cubase then you will be badly disappointed. You haven't read the specifications of Cubase otherwise you would know as well as the rest of us that Cubase can not do this. You can sequence MIDI files with Cubase and export clips of MIDI files which you import into the Pa800 style editor, but that is all.

You really should read the other thread about making styles from Band in a Box that I told you about. It is complicated and there is no single tool that can make Pa800 styles or .SET folders.

[A.K.]

Salaam Wish Jan,

Lets see if I can answer this question.

Yes you can manipulate single style on cubase as long as you have it wired correctly with Cubase. Its a bit tricky.

I know what you are trying to do. Let me see if i understand first.

Lets take a beat such as Dadra for example and you want to change it. Well you can take the midi file of Dadra and assign it the drumkit you want and then you can change it to diffrent versions and see which sounds good or maybe even have different versions of Dadra. You can do this in cubase by going to midi editor and manipulating the midi notes by draging them up and own to mix the sounds such as tabla. Rob is right you can not save the whole set or open the whole set in cubase. But you don't need to do that all you have to do is import the midi file from the style and make different versions and then assign it to v1. v2 v3 and fills and be able to assign drum kit you want. Its all in the midi files. Set does not mean anything once you know how to mainipulate the midi file.

Now if you have not worked with cubase it will take you some time to learn first. You need to be able to route midi channels properly and more importantly be able to assign proper sound patches to midi tracks. Such as perticular kit you choose from pa800.

I have worked a lot in cubase sx but i have yet to plug in pa800 into cubase. Im going to have to try it one of these days.

I also have BIAB 2008 ultra nd I will be loading this up as well as I have seen guys here getting invovled in the style.

I will keep you posted on this Wisha jan.

Salaam
A.K.

[A.K.]

Rob is pa800 mulit timbral keyboard? How many sounds can play at same time??/ If so how many parts? Usually its 16 but let me know if it even has the capability. This will be big help in Cubase if its possible.

Thanks

[Rob Sherratt]

Of course it is multi-timbral! It can play 16 tracks via MIDI Song Play, or 8 tracks via Style Play leaving 8 keyboard and PAD tracks. You can also play two MIDi files in Song Play synchronised to get 32 tracks split between the two files. They have to be at same tempo obviously!

[mbncp]

When creating a style from an external sequencer it's a good idea to enter style record mode, especially for creating guitar mode tracks.

You can even record directly from your sequencer to the pa, this way you can directly test each track on the pa and build a whole style without any file export,transfert, import ...

Unfortunatly the syncronisation (midi clock) works only from the pa to the sequencer and not many host can sync to midi clock.
I know that Sonar and Powertrack can, but Cubase, BIAB, Reaper and probably most of the others can only sync to MTC (MIDI Time Code).

[sehasafade12]

When creating a style from an external sequencer it's a good idea to enter style record mode, especially for creating guitar mode tracks.

You can even record directly from your sequencer to the pa, this way you can directly test each track on the pa and build a whole style without any file export,transfert, import ...

Unfortunatly the syncronisation (midi clock) works only from the pa to the sequencer and not many host can sync to midi clock.
I know that Sonar and Powertrack can, but Cubase, BIAB, Reaper and probably most of the others can only sync to MTC (MIDI Time Code).

Hello Marc:

Wow! I am not that much familiar with music software but willing to learn. Per your post, we can record directly from sequencer to the Pa and built a whole style. This is really a nice news for me. If possible to give us an example how it is done will be appreciated. A short example will do too. Thanks.

Best regards,

Fahim,

[Rob Sherratt]

Fahim, please don't hold your breath. I think there may be a miscommunication and misunderstanding developing here. Please read all the stuff on the other thread re BiaB, you will see it is just not possible in the way you are thinking.

[mbncp]

Wow! I am not that much familiar with music software but willing to learn. Per your post, we can record directly from sequencer to the Pa and built a whole style. This is really a nice news for me. If possible to give us an example how it is done will be appreciated. A short example will do too. Thanks.

You can record a style from a sequencer pretty much like you would from the pa keyboard, which means 1 variation, 1 cv and 1 track at a time.

But instead of recording from the keyboard you have a sequencer that sends the MIDI. The big problem is the syncronisation as in that case the pa cannot be synced by a sequencer, it's the sequencer that needs to be synced by the pa, and as I said before only a few seq can handle midi clock on input.

Note that it's possible to launch the sequencer manually without sync if your timing is good and changing the record resolution on the pa from high to 1/8, 1/16 or 1/32 th. But it's better to use midi clock.

You need also to setup the pa to receive midi for the different tracks (bass = channel 9, drum = 10, perc=11, acc1-acc5 = 12-16).

Now this is not the fastest way to get BIAB generated files into your pa, but if you are building your own styles, track by track like you would create a song, I find it to be a pretty good approach, given that you can directly test your style after each track you recorded.

[Rob Sherratt]

Wisha and Fahim, it appears that you both have expectations that a complete style can be recorded in one go with Cubase or some other sequencer, per your posts at the start and continuation of this thread ....

i heard that somthing is possible to make or edit a **.Set with cubase sx Software. i want to know if its possible if anyone who can help me with making or editing each beat, style, rhythums and **.SET with Cubase sx i would be thanksfull ...

if i have a total Set in flash memory , can i edit that SET folder in cubase, to add more midi files or PCM files or to exchange some beats with another SETS ?? as i can do it on my pa800. but it take long time loading editing and saving .... i hope i get done this on cubase, it will be easy with a big screen on PC..

we can record directly from sequencer to the Pa and built a whole style.

The closest program to helping you build styles is Band in a Box, because at least it builds 8 tracks at a time and it has its own style libraries. Even then it is still difficult.

[sehasafade12]

Hello Rob and Marc:

Thank you so much for the info. I have been following the posts regarding Band in a Box, and got really excited when Marc talked about direct recording from sequencer to the Pa but I guess that is not possible the way I was thinking. Maybe, possible in the near future. Anyways thank you both for your support and help.

Best regards,

Fahim,