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Hi All,
In style mode (any style or program), keyboard split and using a continuous type sound in Lower like strings, pads, organ. Then check the damper "lower" box to be able to sustain the left hand with the damper pedal.
If I press "ending 1" while playing a chord in "lower" with the damper pedal pressed the chord sound continues even after lifting my left hand and raising the damper pedal. When the ending has concluded the sound still continues.
I can't stop it while the ending is in progress either by pushing the damper pedal again or even pressing the stop button.
The only way to stop it is wait until the ending is complete then push the damper pedal again or switch out of style play mode.
Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Jim

Check if the lower backing option in style preferences is on.

Hi Niko,
I appreciate the quick response.
Yes. Under preferences on the style setup tab the "bass and lower backing is checked. I just tried it unchecked and the problem is still there.
Thank you,
Jim

Is the block protect on ?

Hmmm, is the polarity of the pedal right?

nikola81 wrote:Hmmm, is the polarity of the pedal right?

Yes I believe so. It sustains when I press the pedal and the sustain stops when I release it. On PA800 OS2 all you do is calibrate and the keyboard figures out the polarity. With the old OS1.6 I did have to reverse the default polarity.
I'm using a Roland pedal which has a two position "continuous/switch" mode function switch and it is set to switch mode. It doesn't work in continuous mode with the PA800.
But the pedal seems to work correctly all the time with only this one exception of when I press ending 1 while the pedal is being held down with a lower sound of a continuous nature selected. Those set of circumstances always seem to latch the sustain "on".
Thanks again,
Jim

macboy wrote:Is the block protect on ?

Hi macboy,
Thank you for responding.
Could you please tell me more. I'm not clear on this question. I haven't found a block protect. Do you mean a lock? Are you refering to Block Ensemble mode?
Thanks,
Jim

This needs to be changed/set in the Keyboard Ensemble - Keyboard Control, where it will also allow control (on-off) of the expression pedal and joystick operations for Upper 1,2,3 and Lower.

Dennis

miden wrote:This needs to be changed/set in the Keyboard Ensemble - Keyboard Control, where it will also allow control (on-off) of the expression pedal and joystick operations for Upper 1,2,3 and Lower.

Dennis

Dennis, I don't think you understand the problem. I know how to use the Keyboard Control Tab settings under Keyboard Ensemble. Please re-read my previous descriptions of what is occurring, then if you have some insight into the problem I would like to hear what you think.
Thank you,
Jim

Hi Jim,

My bad, I just skimmed the question without full comprehending it.

Yes I can see you problem.

Bass and lower backing only works when the style is off, so it cannot be that.

It is certainly a "stuck note" issue I think, from what you say in the post.
Where somehow, the pedal off command, or the note off commands are getting "glitched" by the starting of the ending pattern.

At this stage all I could recommend is a slight technique change which is to release the sustain pedal momentarily before activating the ending pattern and see what happens then??

And does it ONLY happen on ending 1? As I recall ending 1 (same as intro 1) have slightly different characteristics than the others, I don't think it is this but doesn't hurt to check.

In my view, fwiw, I think it is not an inherent problem or "bug" but more like a MIDI data blockage, which can happen.

What other things are happening? IE are you playing lots of notes, or do you have all 3 upper sounds running etc etc.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
I use a variety of setups with sometimes all three uppers being used and usually one or two uppers with damper assigned. I think it might have something to do with the type of sound in the lower because it only does it if a continuous type sound like strings, organs, pad sounds who's sound is present as long as the lower keys are held down, as opposed to decaying type sounds like piano or vibes. The problem has never occured with a decaying type sound selected in lower.

Yes, you're right that one work around is to be sure to release the damper pedal before pressing ending one. The trouble is in the heat of battle playing live it is one more thing to remember while trying to catch the timing just right to initialze the ending. Plus, I'm not getting any younger so I try not to clutter up my feeble mind to much.

Another work around would be to never program a sound of continuous nature in lower, or if I do, then be sure to uncheck the lower damper box
and do all lower sustaining by holding the lower keys down.

I used to have a Tyros 2 which had similar settings (upper 1,2,3 and lower) with assignable damper and never had this problem.

It doesn't do it with ending 2 or 3 that I can tell, just ending 1.
This could potentially be a bug, I'm just not sure.

Mostly with these kind of settings I play light jazz, sometimes solo, sometimes duo with a jazz guitarist, so the sounds and nuances can be quite critical. When I play with my five piece jazz band I never use styles or intros, endings or any of that stuff so it's not an issue then.

If you or anyone who has a PA800 wanted to try duplicating this problem I'd be curious what you find out.

Anyhow, I really appreciate your thoughtful interest and feedback.
Thanks again,
Jim

Hi Jim,
I will try to see if I can duplicate this when I get my PA800, probably Monday or Tuesday..( I am a former PA1x/2x owner, but "left the fold" for a short while).

I don't think it is just a sustained sound, and the only reason you may not think it happens on the decay sounds is just that, they decay..The notes themselves are for some reason still on you just cannot hear them.

I suspect it is something to do with the ending one, and or the hold parameter. Sorry I cannot get to it (physically) sooner. Maybe someone else could have a go at re-creating it?

Dennis

Hi Dennis and All,
I tried running a test of decaying sounds like piano and I'm pretty sure you are right that the problem exist with all lower sounds. I tested with the lower volume at max and after pressing Ending One then quickly releasing the damper pedal the sound can still be heard as a sustained fade until no longer audible.

I'm still very interested if you or anyone gets a chance to try to duplicate the problem.
Thank you,
Jim

Jim, my 800 still has not arrived , but i have not forgotten to try and replicate this and see if a solution can be achieved.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
Just a quick follow up. Are you still waiting for delivery of your PA800?
i'm still curious what you find out when you try to duplicate the problem.
Thank you,
Jim