Could I zone the RPPR track to one octave and use up to 12 different RPPR trigger patterns?
You can have as much patterns in RPPR as you wish, so there is nothing to prevent you from having 12 patterns in one octave in the same track. Or in multiple tracks.
using RPPR's is it also possible to provide "arranger" type start, variation, fill and ending sequences that play seamlessly without "white outs"
I wrote about this in topic about using M3 as a drum machine. It's the same thing. You see, there is really no limit to what you can program in a pattern. Pattern can be musical pattern, can be drum pattern, can be data pattern (with inserted "Event" as Korg calls it, or pure sysex messages). Patterns can be velocity switched, key zoned, midi channeled. With sysex you aren't even midi channnel dependent.
Xpanded upgrade offers sequencer feature non-present in Triton line - M3 presents sysex code for events. You don't even have to understand sysex and still be able to work with it. For example, record one bar in one track and change program from A001 to A002 in that bar. Then go to event editor and see what M3 has to say about it in terms of sysex. Next time when you add that event into pattern and assign that pattern to a certain track, triggering the pattern with a key (RPRR) will trigger program change. Simple, isn't it?
Changing sounds without an interuption can supposedly be done with Karma scenes, but I wouldn't know how to do that, I don't do Karma.
If that is possible, I wonder why there are no examples on the market
If all workstation features would be presented by Korg or by someone else immediatelly after the release, where would be thrill in personalizing the workstation? My Extreme doesn't work like someone else's Extreme and that's fine. Workstation comes with a lot of presets just to give you an idea of possibilities - the actual limit is way beyond presets.
But I don't know why I'm explaining this to you, Rob, you proved your self as a power user so I apologize if this sounds tutoring, I'm just trying to answer questions and give some ideas.
Another reason for good stuff not being comercially available. Imagine this - currently I'm working on a perfect reproduction of a drum rhythm, very complex one. I'm reproducing it from actual drum waves recorded from a real drummer performance. The process includes separate quantizations (off-beat ticks - the rhythm tends to drop out of the basic 4/4 measure in which it actually plays in the middle and to return to the basic beat just before the end of the measure; although in 4/4 mathematically, it's played everything but 4/4) for each variation of the rhythm. Drummer performed one basic rhythm structure and over 30 (thirty, not to mistaken) variations, not fill-ins, breaks and stuff, but rhythm variations.
The material will be programmed to work as Extreme's RPPR and as ordinary MIDI track (so I can use it with VSTs as well).
Now, I already spend about 20 hours. I predict to spend 20 - 30 more. Let's round it to 50 hours of labor. For just one rhythm.
How much should I charge for that? And how long would it take until some smarta$$ makes it available for free download? There is no way one can protect his data, it's just midi. You see the point? The good stuff can be bought. And downloaded. The best stuff resides in personal keyboard and can be heard, but not acquired.
Is there an example that you've done in a similar way that you could send me as a starting point
Rob, excuse me, but I remind you again that I don't actually own or have M3. I had it for long enough to see I don't need it. So I can't make that example for you.
But the procedure is really a simple one.
Try assigning simple musical pattern to RPPR. See how it works.
Then change a sound while recording another pattern, in the middle of the performance - event data will be created which will be responsible for program change. Find that event, extract it and assign it to empty pattern. Assign that pattern to RPPR and trigger it - it will trigger program change on midi channel you are currently playing at.
If you use sysex, there is no midi channel limitation.
Knowledge about all of this (if it's of any interest to you) - I play strictly Korg workstations. And can't sleep if I don't know how it works until the last byte. So I learned everything I could about Extreme; probably there is something more, but I'm satisfied with what I know. M3 isn't much of an upgrade over Triton line (except for Karma, which hasn't any value to me, but I appreciate it's possibilities) so basics are the same. About usage of RPPR for program change - one other individual wrote about that in this forum too, but I don't know who, I recall seing something about that.
About sysex - individual named Krzysiek (no longer active on this forum) enlighted the sparkle in me for sysex. Now I see sysex can do miracles and am yet to discover it's applicability in complex setups.
Best regards,
shrike[/quote]
