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Do i need a new keyboard? (pa1x)

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:31 am
by Don Awareh
I have been trying to find a answer for this. i have looked up the manual, searched forums, tried google etc.

I have come to a point where this is really needed, cause i am getting better and better in playing music, and the live bands needs this!

this is my problem with the pa1x...the chords!!

When i press a simple D min chord D F A. i can here D F A. But when i play a D inversion, doesn't matter which one i still here D F A. is this keyboard not able to play a inversion when i press a inversion on the keyboard?

If yes PLEASE tell me!


If not...what proffesional keyboard can?

thanks!

p.s this regards to styles.

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:11 am
by karmathanever
Hi Don

The only "inversion" is Bass Inversion. The only "true" fingering of an inverted chord will improve if you have a LOWER sound ON but the actual accompaniment will not change. Bass Inversion ON should help the feel of the inverted chord but of course it is impractical to be switching Bass Inversion on and off throughout a song.

I have not encountered a keyboard that can do this as yet (maybe the Korg PA4XPro :wink: ) - I don't think the Ketron Audya can do this but the manuals for the Audya barely cover the basics.

All the best

Pete :D

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:58 pm
by Giner
Pete's quite right, here. I don't know of any keyboard that will do what you're looking for, so I think the only solution is to do what everyone else does and just play the required inversion of a chord with the right hand while the left hand fingers the root, or whatever inversion you want. This works fine if you're playing an accompaniment to vocals.

For instrumentals, playing the melody within the chording of the right hand, in the way a guitarist would, can solve your puzzle. Here's a link to what I'm getting at, where the tune is never lost in amongst all the different and fairly complex inversions he's playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTEn4LvjLpA&feature=fvw

So, in keyboard terms, your left hand is playing the root chord, or whatever inversion you're comfortable with, while your right hand is playing the melody 'in amongst' the chording. After that, it's practice, practice, practice. Good luck.

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:44 pm
by Don Awareh
What I don't understand is why is this so hard to implement for KORG? We can have a LOWER that play's exactly what you press. So why can't it be done with the Chords. KORG needs to implement this.

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:46 pm
by adimatis
no arranger can do that! is not so easy, as such a feature would mean having alot of extra recorded material for each inversion within a chord. not even sure if this is possible with the actual architecture. And is not only Korg. All of them should do something like that with the next generation of onstruments. for the date, NONE is doing it.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:50 am
by keysman
Surely if you want the chord to give you an inversion have the lower part switched on with the hold function on for the backing. This will allow you to play any inversion of the chord, no the backing won't change (until you change to another chord) but if you are vamping or whatever over the top the sound (instrument) you have for the lower chord will. Obviously you have to place your keyboard split point to suit the piece of music you are playing.

No you don't need a new keyboard explore the one you have & you will be amazed what you can achieve. Most of all have fun :D

I hope this is of help.

Cheers
John

Chord inversions

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:00 am
by Iron Horse
Hi Don,

I haven't posted often, but i enjoy playing my PA1X Pro. The way I solved this as I related in a past post was to invest in a bass pedal board. I have a 13 note Ketron pedal board which I midi in through channel 2. The board allows me to drop the bass an octave which is how I set it whenever I turn on the board. This makes the pedals sound below the low "E" on the keyboard and, since you play accompaniment chords generally well above this point you will find that the bass pedal can "force" the root of the chord regardless of the inversion.

This works wonderfully well for me. I don't see any way to do this without a bass pedal board.

Good luck and I hope this was helpful.

Iron

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:09 am
by FSalomon
I kinda understand why only a bass inversion can be done. But now what instrument do you want inverted? IS it all the backing tracks? I think it's possible if you program some key combinations when creating the style yourself.

The easiest way (and complicated at the same time) is to do it at the creation without programming any key combination. It will probably require a lot of trial and error.

You can also do it on INTRO 2 or Ending 2 to play it exactly as is...

Not sure, but there's probably other ways to do it...

Please correct me if I'm wrong any body.