Kaossilator Pro - unwanted glitches

[Radian]

I think there's going to be a fair number of people wondering why their KPro is overdubbing brief glitches of sound into their loopbanks: It's an inevitable consequence of the record logic and the way people are bound to play the device.

With four loopers that can be cut in and out on-the-fly, it's almost inevitable that you're going to end up playing on the pad over the top of loops. But if your finger is on the pad when you trigger playback (brief press of loopbank button) - wham - you inadvertently record a brief snatch of the pad sound during the button press.

The four loop banks are just what's needed to relieve the monotony of the single phase playback - surely this is why we want the KPro? But being able to play one "live" instrument over the top is too good to resist... if you do it though, you have to stop to switch your backing loop - and that's an awful lot easier said than done.

[Mr36]

So, for example, you're playing on the pad but not recording and Bank 1 is playing but Banks 2, 3 and 4 are muted and then you want to introduce whatever's on Bank 2, so you press that Bank button while still playing the pad just to start it playing but instead of it just starting the bank playing, it records a bit of your pad playing?

I'm not saying it's ideal but maybe you just have to be extra careful with how long you press the bank buttons for because holding them records, so the briefest of pushes is all that's needed to start playback. Not an ideal solution (if it is a solution) and this is certainly a bit of a problem...

[JJP]

So, for example, you're playing on the pad but not recording and Bank 1 is playing but Banks 2, 3 and 4 are muted and then you want to introduce whatever's on Bank 2, so you press that Bank button while still playing the pad just to start it playing but instead of it just starting the bank playing, it records a bit of your pad playing?

thats an ugly move korg

[Mr36]

They obviously didn't test it thoroughly enough or, at least, with the people who are going to use it.

[Kaoss Elation]

Agree, this is a real bummer, I just found this out. This is more annoying to me than the lack of a fix facility. It really restricts the ability to play live or improvise.

[samartin]

I posted in the wrong thread!

I think I've just found a solution to not recording to a bank while playing, if you are performing on the XY, and you want to kick in a beat :-

hold down the SHIFT key
this will hold your last note
then kick in the new Bank/or take it out

then carry on with the XY...

Not exactly the most efficient way but it does work without destroying a loop

[Kaoss Elation]

Thanks, this works great! Great solution.

[Radian]

I think I've just found a solution to not recording to a bank while playing...

It's a very good work-around if you're doing something simple like holding a drone or a drum pattern, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a solution.

The beauty of being able to play live over the top of backing loops is that it breaks the monotony and provides an element of continuity while you switch backing patterns. Plus I like to go crazy with it. This is no place for something to be "on hold".

Summary
If a loop bank is not playing and you try starting it while your finger is on the X-Y pad it goes into play, but also over-dubs a brief glitch (there's no minimum time you can hit the loop bank button that doesn't cause a glitch).

But if you have a loop bank playing and you try stopping it while your finger is on the X-Y pad it won't stop, it just over-dubs a brief glitch during the button press. This means it's not always possible to mute a backing track while you're playing live - not without interrupting or holding your action.

[Randy|Kaoss]

The glitches are a serious problem, they need to be sorted as a matter of urgency.

I was looking forward to getting a KPro, especially as I already have a KP3 so can get around the lack of bounce-down functionality.

However, the glitching is unacceptable; I won't be buying until a firmware update addresses this and some of the other shortcomings.

[Radian]

The glitches are a serious problem, they need to be sorted as a matter of urgency.

I was looking forward to getting a KPro, especially as I already have a KP3 so can get around the lack of bounce-down functionality.

However, the glitching is unacceptable; I won't be buying until a firmware update addresses this and some of the other shortcomings.

It's difficult raising "issues" like this (and the lack of undo). I wouldn't want to put anyone off buying the Kaossilator as it's a unique and brilliant concept. There's a huge amount of fun that can be had with the original Kaossilator and the PRO extends on this in many ways. The sounds are more inspiring and the mixing features are much better (the original Kaossilator was hugely limited by the fixed volume level of every program - the PRO allows the program volume to be adjusted during recording and the bank mixer can be used to adjust the overall level afterwards).

I just wish I'd been able to campaign for and against certain design decisions as they were being made.

[Kaoss Elation]

I agree. I think the KPro is unique and certainly suits my needs better than anything else out there. Sure there are some faults but I'll be able to do a heck of a lot more with this than I could with the K1. The most annoying issue is the lack of ability to "bounce" across loop banks but even that can be got round for home recording. IMO it is a limitation for live performance but then if I want to play live I'll write stuff that works with what the KPro can do. If there's a firmware update great but I'm sure that's not going to stop me doing a lot with the KPro as it is now.

I personally really like the improved drum sounds and patterns and can see me using that a lot in my recorded work.

[RichF]

The structure of the KOPro makes this inevitable... It's not a "glitch," it's the way the KOPro works. The immediacy of recording comes with this one rule- when you touch the pad and the Loop Recorder Bank buttons at the same time, you're recording.

It's important to note that there are benefits associated with this. First and foremost, you don't have to "prep" to record, or "arm" the banks. One button press, and you're in. Secondly, when you're touching the pad, you can tap the Loop Recorder Bank buttons to record a rhythmic, non-arpeggiated performance.

[JJP]

The structure of the KOPro makes this inevitable... It's not a "glitch," it's the way the KOPro works. The immediacy of recording comes with this one rule- when you touch the pad and the Loop Recorder Bank buttons at the same time, you're recording.

It's important to note that there are benefits associated with this. First and foremost, you don't have to "prep" to record, or "arm" the banks. One button press, and you're in. Secondly, when you're touching the pad, you can tap the Loop Recorder Bank buttons to record a rhythmic, non-arpeggiated performance.

how about an extra play or mute button? I know it's to late now, but that's what happens if you squeeze the Kpro in the KP3 chassis...

[Mr36]

Or even just having to press the REC button before holding down or selecting your bank would fix it, wouldn't it? As in if you don't press the REC button first, it will just play or mute the bank when you press it.

[JJP]

Or even just having to press the REC button before holding down or selecting your bank would fix it, wouldn't it? As in if you don't press the REC button first, it will just play or mute the bank when you press it.

that would be lame