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moonmin82
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Monotron

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I mainly play guitar and am interested in the Korg Monotron. I've played a little keyboard and am interested in creating loops of backing and textured sounds via my loop pedal which I could play over with guitar.

The problem is no gear shop near me sells them so it's to be a mail order job. I'm having to rely on mp3 demos and Youtube vids seeing how I can't try one out myself.

For me the pros are its size and relatively low price. A micro korg would be cool but more £ than I can justify spending and more space than i have available. The small ribbon pad isn't an issue for me.

The following Youtube vid' is superb and a real inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn4D79Jgn_4

...however, every other Youtube vid' of the Monotron is terrible, sounding either like a basic stylophone or a mess of Fuzz Factory noise.

To any Monotron users out there: how realistic is that video - has he applied any further processing (except the drums obviously)? Are these 'voices' and sounds achieveable with the unit alone? Unlike the 'casual' user (as pasted all over Youtube!) I wouldn't be using this simply for making wacky noises.

As you can gather - I know NOTHING about synthesis! Can anybody explain the parameters a little more? Have I got this right: the 'bare' note would sound like a stylophone, however the 'voice' can be shaped using the filters to make it sound more like a keyboard (rather than a shitty stylophone).

The low notes sound great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o6XCj5LjOo

...whereas the mid and high notes sound a bit harsh (sound better when the pulse effect is added) - can tone be rolled off to reduce this harshness?

Any more credible videos or advice? Sorry for rambling :?
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Hi. I have one & I like it a lot. That's a cracking video, about the only one currently showing what it's capable of in the right (skilled) hands.

Yes floor shaking basses and cutting leads are easily produced & even a primitive kick drum via a simple pulse. Remember though it is monophonic (one note at a time) - so be aware that you won't get anywhere near the range of sound that you would from a conventional synth - as to make chords you need a polyphonic synth engine - one that will sound more than one note at the same time. Theoretically you could build simple chords with it in conjunction with a good (long) looper. Bloody hard work to make a whole song structure from but certainly a good route to building interesting textures.

You can certainly roll off the edges of the tones it produces by modulating the sound waves.

You can also process external sound sources such as your electric guitar thru its filter - further extending its usefulness.

In addition to being monophonic, having a limited filter configuration (unless hacked) accordingly limits the sound permutations, but it is kind of refreshingly simple. Being analog proper it has a warmth to it and a beefy sound that belies its tiny size once it's externally amped.

As to explaining synthesis - a bit involved for a forum post & my actual technical knowledge is more hands on than factual but - basically to synthesize sound you are changing/modulating the frequency rate of the signal produced by one or more oscillators and filtering it. (already out of my depth.. LOL)
The Monotron provides a bit of an either or solution to this as you only get one VCF, VCO & LFO. (voltage control filter, voltage control oscillator & low frequency oscillator). So you have limited parameters due to having limted combinations. With no internal memory as such nothing is saveable so you have to loop or record on the fly. Keeps it spontaneous though.

You can produce a stable note that will sustain as long as you touch the keypad & it can be subjected to that brightening up/dulling down sound effect used in good old techno by twiddling the little knobs in realtime. You can also get the Monotron to chop the sound into pulses that you can change the speed and length of: as in k k k krr krr krr krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, b b b br br br br brrrrrr, z z z zr zr zr zrrrrrrrrrr etc. and when speeded up you can get doppler/harmonic/distorted sonic timbres.

It can also be persuaded to change pitch up or down very slowly - thus the 'wheeee' kind of noise, shorten it and you get a bleep, up the resonance and you get a a whistle/screech. Shove it thru an effects box and you can process these thru chorused, flanged gated delayed reversed effects etc.
With a little dedication you can get some very interesting sounds and the general fidelity is very good. As you can modulate sounds to change their texture easily it doesn't have to bleep or squeal unless you want it to.

Limitations often prove a good thing to set your creativity against, but whether these will frustrate or inspire depends on your mindset and the type of music you are wanting to make.

The video shows it multitracked - using a PC sequencing program - and with reverb inserted into the signal path. The sound is otherwise representative of what it produces & generally I am very happy with accepting what it does & doesn't do - although the filter can occasionally get a bit hissy but that's probably an analog characteristic.

As you prob gathered from my 'cheap case' post below, I have a stylus to use with it but with practice - unless you have sausage hands - it works OK with thumb or finger.

It's not as buzzy and lofi as a Stylophone in its raw state, the Stylo is basically producing a primitive fixed saw wave, whereas the Mono allows you to change the shape of the wave and filter the results. The pressure sensitive ribbon pad membrane is smoother than the Stylophone's on/off contact surface, enabling swift note exchange (glissandi). Just a small tip or twist of the finger will allow a change of one note to the next and back again so although not properly velocity sensitive as such - it is quite expressive and with practice can produce simple riffs to order.

As a footnote - if you get into keyboards- you may find a cheap secondhand one rather than a Microkorg may suffice to start you off. Again effects pedals are your best friends here. I use a Yamaha PSS 390 which has a minikeyboard & has a primitive FM synth incorporated into it - it cost me about £15 - & gives out some mad lofi textures when tortured & processed enough. It's capable of some surprisingly nice gritty bass textures. I combine all sorts of strange things. In the end it ain't what you have but the way you use it & lofi seems to be the new black these days...

God - I'm wordy tonight..LOL :roll: Hope some useful info for you in there.
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Post by moonmin82 »

Many thanks for the indepth reply :) I placed my order today.

If anyone has any decent audio/video clips, tips or suggested settings be sure to share!
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Post by lloydsmith »

Can I have my commission now KORG...LOL

Glad it was helpful - enjoy! :)
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Post by moonmin82 »

cheers! im looking forward to receiving it, although im told theres another weeks wait or so for the next shipment to be received from korg. good things come... etc etc! hopefully therell be more credible yt vids up soon...
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I got mine on pre-order...can't wait till it finally hits my door!
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I seem to be lucky in getting mine early - unusual for the UK.

Still finding things to do with it.

Running it thru a Boss SL20 slicer to interesting effect - makes panned arpeggiation/tremolo/gated shapings possible! Add in phaser/flanger etc to taste.

Don't forget to check out the Ninty case & stylus if you can get one where you live.

UK : Argos. I got mine for £2.99 although it's listed on the net for £5.99. Sorry for huge link chain but it only seems to work if you cut & paste the whole chain into your browser. rather than click the blue highlighted address.

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Post by danielb »

Hi all,

I bought a Monotron yesterday. It was my first ever impulse buy synth - I played with it in a music shop and couldn't resist.

I still need to get the right cables to connect up the input and output, so I am limited to listening to it through headphones.

It is great fun and quite interesting. It has a surprisingly wide range of very high quality sounds. The filter really is epic. The headphone output is noisy.

A couple of interesting points:

You can use the LFO as a simple pitch or filter envelope. Also the ribbon controls the filter cut-off, so you can make it go meeow as you rub your finger along it. . .

I am planning to record a piece of music using it but this is some way off yet.
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Post by Pastor-of-Muppets »

Is the Monotron only battery-powered or can it use an external power supply?

Edit: having seen a mod which adds DC power supply, I have worked out it's batter-powered only
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Post by moonmin82 »

still waiting for mine :? ordered and paid on 20th july!! :shock:

although dawsons music (where i placed my order) have no idea when to expect them ive seen dates of 27th august knocked around on sites such as andertons and gak.

hope its worth the wait!
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I'm a little bummed out because I placed my order with Musicians Friend for the pre-order with the intention that I'd get mine before everyone else. Guess what, Sam Ash has them in their stores right now and I am still waiting for mine to show up in the mail.

I'll never order from Musicians Friend again :(
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Post by SMK »

Yep the Monotron saga continues...

I had to cancel my order with Musicians Friend because they came up with another BS shipment date of Sept 9th 2010.

Originally when I placed the order almost 2 months ago the shipment date was Aug 16th 2010.

The whole point of pre-order is to get something first before anyone else (like stores) does. Now Sam Ash got and sold out of theirs and along with Guitar center and other on line sources like SweetWater have theirs in limited stock...where as Musicians Friend has done nothing.

When it comes to Pre-Order Musicians Friend Is not your Friend...never do a pre-order with these people, they do nothing but BS their customers.
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Post by moonmin82 »

finally! 5 weeks on, in stock and due to arrive by courier tomorrow! have it!
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Post by kimu »

danielb wrote:Hi all,
Also the ribbon controls the filter cut-off, so you can make it go meeow as you rub your finger along it. . .
danielb, how you can modulate the cutoff using the ribbon?
for what i know the only modulation source is the LFO...
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Post by danielb »

kimu wrote:
danielb wrote:Hi all,
Also the ribbon controls the filter cut-off, so you can make it go meeow as you rub your finger along it. . .
danielb, how you can modulate the cutoff using the ribbon?
for what i know the only modulation source is the LFO...
The ribbon controller controls the VCF cutoff as well as the pitch. It is the default and only behaviour.

Test it like this:

Turn pitch to minimum, so you won't hear the VCO so much.

Turn cutoff frequency to about half way, so you won't go deaf.

Turn resonance up till it self oscillates.

Slide your finger up and down the ribbon. You will hear the filter oscillation rising and falling in pitch.

After that you will clearly hear the VCF cutoff opening a closing as you rub the ribbon.
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