I am still struggling to find the best way to achieve this.
I need, for one song to have a two/four bar slow up, and then return to main tempo.
When I had my Roland this was easy to achieve with the ability for tempo changes to be achieved by percentage. The Korg seems only to have a start it off until it gets to rock bottom.
Any suggestions for a solution/workaround gratefully received!
Chris
Ritardando
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jazzmammal
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Since nobody has answered, I'll try but I'm not the best expert on the Pa1x but I do use it live quite a bit. Are you talking about playing it live as an arranger or using a midi file? If it's a midi file, no problem you can put tempo changes into any midi file using a sequencer. If you're playing it live as an arranger I would use the tempo wheel but of course you have to take your right hand off the keyboard to do it. I'm not aware of some kind of automatic way to do it live. On page 378 of the manual it talks about assignable switches and those parameters include tempo changes. Maybe you can use a couple of footswitches to do that. One to start the slow down and the other to speed it back up.
Bob
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If you touch the Beat Per Minuite No. display in Style Mode it opens up a calculator style screen. Here you can enter BBM and as soon as you hit OK your tempo will change.
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Yes, but the idea with 'ritardando' is a gradual slowing of tempo rather than an abrupt change. Even using the data wheel, as Bob mentioned, has its pitfalls. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that there is a way to make a controlled ritardando over a given length of bars to a new, slower tempo. It's slow down to a complete stop or nothing.Reuben wrote:If you touch the Beat Per Minuite No. display in Style Mode it opens up a calculator style screen. Here you can enter BBM and as soon as you hit OK your tempo will change.
It's the same with accelerando in the opposite direction, faster and faster to oblivion. Do we have a Korg or a Toyota?
Thanks to all for the suggestions.
The situation I have is using the arranger in style mode, not using midi files.
It does seem a quandary, with a couple of ways to bring about a quick change so far suggested. Another suggestion from another of the board's illuminae included the use of changing the tempo for a variation.
I will be having a play with these suggestions over the course of the weekend.
It seems to me that many songs include subtle changes of tempo and while the Korg overall I would still champion as a fabulous sounding arranger, ever since the demise of my Roland, this i a feature that I have missed.
Now I just have to live with the concept of a Korg with 4 wheels, as it accelerates to oblivion!
Chris
PS Anyone know how the PA2X handles accel and ritard? (I can't justify a change for just that, if it had that facility....can I?)
The situation I have is using the arranger in style mode, not using midi files.
It does seem a quandary, with a couple of ways to bring about a quick change so far suggested. Another suggestion from another of the board's illuminae included the use of changing the tempo for a variation.
I will be having a play with these suggestions over the course of the weekend.
It seems to me that many songs include subtle changes of tempo and while the Korg overall I would still champion as a fabulous sounding arranger, ever since the demise of my Roland, this i a feature that I have missed.
Now I just have to live with the concept of a Korg with 4 wheels, as it accelerates to oblivion!
Chris
PS Anyone know how the PA2X handles accel and ritard? (I can't justify a change for just that, if it had that facility....can I?)
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It's always something, isn't it? The suggestion to use variations for this might work. Each part of a style including the intro's, ending's and variations are nothing but individual midi files but if you change the tempo of a variation while the keyboard is set to a different tempo, will that work? Don't know, try it and see I guess. I have a feeling the overall tempo will override any tempo changes in a variation.
If you're only talking about a few songs where this is important I would still do them as midi files, not live. I'm one who completely agrees with you, I much prefer playing stuff live, not playing midi files all night but I have a few exceptions because some tunes just have to sound like the record and style play can't do that unless you create a custom style just for one song. I may play 4 or 5 midi files on a gig and just play along with them. If you need some help creating a midi file, I can explain that to you.
Bob
If you're only talking about a few songs where this is important I would still do them as midi files, not live. I'm one who completely agrees with you, I much prefer playing stuff live, not playing midi files all night but I have a few exceptions because some tunes just have to sound like the record and style play can't do that unless you create a custom style just for one song. I may play 4 or 5 midi files on a gig and just play along with them. If you need some help creating a midi file, I can explain that to you.
Bob
Update
I did consider acquiring a board with the feature, but I managed to stop myself before hitting the bid now button on eBay.
The idea of the Midi file was probably the most achievable for me, but work is hectic and my previous use of midi has generally been time consuming in preparation, so with that history decided against it.
The whole "band" slowing up to me has a natural feel to it, but my solution has been the straightforward drop the accompaniment, meaning I am not tied to the tempo.
I did have other plans for this section of the song, including the iuse of switches and foot controllers, but don't think my little brain works fast enough...perhaps when the day dawns that I will retire, which is looming faster than I care to admit, this will give me the time to develop new abilities...!!
Thanks again for suggestions and whn I do have more time on my hands....
Best wishes
Chris
The idea of the Midi file was probably the most achievable for me, but work is hectic and my previous use of midi has generally been time consuming in preparation, so with that history decided against it.
The whole "band" slowing up to me has a natural feel to it, but my solution has been the straightforward drop the accompaniment, meaning I am not tied to the tempo.
I did have other plans for this section of the song, including the iuse of switches and foot controllers, but don't think my little brain works fast enough...perhaps when the day dawns that I will retire, which is looming faster than I care to admit, this will give me the time to develop new abilities...!!
Thanks again for suggestions and whn I do have more time on my hands....
Best wishes
Chris
Ritardando
If I understand your question, try this:
Use a control switch pedal set to control ritardando. While playing, when you trigger the pedal, rit. begins and you stop it at whatever point you desire by hitting the pedal again. To restore the original tempo (a tempo), hit the two buttons together (next to the wheel to the right of screen). This takes you back to the original tempo.
It take some practice to do this skillfully, but I believe it will accomplish your purpose. Let me know if my instructions are not clear.
Best,
Gary
Use a control switch pedal set to control ritardando. While playing, when you trigger the pedal, rit. begins and you stop it at whatever point you desire by hitting the pedal again. To restore the original tempo (a tempo), hit the two buttons together (next to the wheel to the right of screen). This takes you back to the original tempo.
It take some practice to do this skillfully, but I believe it will accomplish your purpose. Let me know if my instructions are not clear.
Best,
Gary
Gary
Thanks for the suggestion. I have tried to use set the ritard into action using an assignable switch, both on the board and the ec5.
Where I seem to come particularly unstuck with this approach is the a tempo. No matter how many times I try it, I never seem to be able to hit the two buttons simultaneously.
I don't use these buittons greatly, so perhaps they need a bit of use to loosen them up! The shows are next week, so I think I will stick to the drop the arrangement idea for the bars in question. In the New Year I will need to spend more time trying to perfect a technique that will hold up under pressure.
With appreciation
Chris
Thanks for the suggestion. I have tried to use set the ritard into action using an assignable switch, both on the board and the ec5.
Where I seem to come particularly unstuck with this approach is the a tempo. No matter how many times I try it, I never seem to be able to hit the two buttons simultaneously.
I don't use these buittons greatly, so perhaps they need a bit of use to loosen them up! The shows are next week, so I think I will stick to the drop the arrangement idea for the bars in question. In the New Year I will need to spend more time trying to perfect a technique that will hold up under pressure.
With appreciation
Chris