Just received a newletter from Hollow Sun on the release of the M1 and O1W sampled for Kontakt:
http://www.hollowsun.com/HS2/products/m01/index.htm
Have been waiting for Korg to release the O1W for a while and now Hollowsun have done it - excellent!
(I have no affiliation what so ever with Hollow Sun so just flagging it here as I'm on the Hollowsun mail list and thought others here would be interested).
Cheers,
Kevin.
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How interesting!
Basic question I know, (with no apparent explanation on their website) but can these samples be used with the O?
Basic question I know, (with no apparent explanation on their website) but can these samples be used with the O?
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That would be sweet!cello wrote:but can these samples be used with the O?
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Hi,
I see no reason why my libs couldn't be used with Oasys. The Oasys reads WAVs, my samples are WAVs. Each library typically comes in a folder, inside that are a bunch of Kontakt NKI programs and there's a common pool of samples which you could pull out to use in Oasys.
However...
You'd have to map them out yourself and do all the other programming. Not having an Oasys or any experience of it, I wouldn't be able to assist but I imagine/am sure it must be do-able.
You'd have to have your wits about you, I guess (and it wouldn't be for the feint hearted) but the programming is pretty straightforward. The samples typically use the same name as the program in which they reside typically numbered 01-nn from the bottom up. Typically they are at minor thirds (C, D#, F# A of every octave) but some are fewer (C and G perhaps) whilst some have one sample per note - it depends. The principles would be the same in each scenario. After that, it's up to you what you do to make the sounds playable on Oasys.
It would have to be done by hand - I know of no converter that would do this (and besides, most of them only do half the job if that!).
One small caveat though...
Some of the programs make use of positional crossfade between the zones/keygroups/whatever they're called on Oasys. This smoothes out the transition between the zones so that there isn't an abrupt tonal change. It's an 'old school' trick. I only have experience of a Triton and that didn't allow positional xfades - I don't know if they fixed this in Oasys but it could affect the overall sound of some (maybe quite a few) sounds, maybe insignificantly, maybe very obviously, if it doesn't.
Other libs could be trickier however.
For example, the String Synths library...
The various footages are all layered on top of each other and the Kontakt scripting provides a volume control for each layer so that you can freely mix 16', 8' and 4' string footages (like the originals on which they are based). Similarly with the Vox Continental drawbars. I don't know if Oasys would cater for that. I am sure it would allow the layering (well... I'd hope it does!!) but not whether you could assign a front panel control to control the various footages. It would be pretty good if it could but without it... meh!
So that's about it. Yes - in theory, my libs could be manually ported into Oasys but it would be a pretty hefty undertaking, maybe with some 'gotchas', so in practice, I dunno.
I hope this helps!
Cheers,
Steve
I see no reason why my libs couldn't be used with Oasys. The Oasys reads WAVs, my samples are WAVs. Each library typically comes in a folder, inside that are a bunch of Kontakt NKI programs and there's a common pool of samples which you could pull out to use in Oasys.
However...
You'd have to map them out yourself and do all the other programming. Not having an Oasys or any experience of it, I wouldn't be able to assist but I imagine/am sure it must be do-able.
You'd have to have your wits about you, I guess (and it wouldn't be for the feint hearted) but the programming is pretty straightforward. The samples typically use the same name as the program in which they reside typically numbered 01-nn from the bottom up. Typically they are at minor thirds (C, D#, F# A of every octave) but some are fewer (C and G perhaps) whilst some have one sample per note - it depends. The principles would be the same in each scenario. After that, it's up to you what you do to make the sounds playable on Oasys.
It would have to be done by hand - I know of no converter that would do this (and besides, most of them only do half the job if that!).
One small caveat though...
Some of the programs make use of positional crossfade between the zones/keygroups/whatever they're called on Oasys. This smoothes out the transition between the zones so that there isn't an abrupt tonal change. It's an 'old school' trick. I only have experience of a Triton and that didn't allow positional xfades - I don't know if they fixed this in Oasys but it could affect the overall sound of some (maybe quite a few) sounds, maybe insignificantly, maybe very obviously, if it doesn't.
Other libs could be trickier however.
For example, the String Synths library...
The various footages are all layered on top of each other and the Kontakt scripting provides a volume control for each layer so that you can freely mix 16', 8' and 4' string footages (like the originals on which they are based). Similarly with the Vox Continental drawbars. I don't know if Oasys would cater for that. I am sure it would allow the layering (well... I'd hope it does!!) but not whether you could assign a front panel control to control the various footages. It would be pretty good if it could but without it... meh!
So that's about it. Yes - in theory, my libs could be manually ported into Oasys but it would be a pretty hefty undertaking, maybe with some 'gotchas', so in practice, I dunno.
I hope this helps!
Cheers,
Steve
Oh! I should also point out that the M/01 library I've recently converted to Kontakt (but which has been available in other formats for years!) does not provide slavish multi-sampled copies of each and every program from an M1 or O1W. That would be uncreative sound design (and unscrupulous).
Rather, they are a 'representation' of the early Korg S+S synths to give a 'flavour' of those synths. And they're not strictly M1 and 01W - the 'M/01' title was just a convenient title for the library as a rough indication of the vintage of the sounds. It actually includes bits and pieces from M1, M1 Xpander module, O1W (or was it the module?), X5DR and others I could lay my hands on at the time. The custom edits and sound design and then the sampling process gave them their own character and this latest incarnation in Kontakt with the fixed formant filters and Kontakt's internal effects have taken them to another level with a new character.
Frankly, as attractive as the library may seem, I am sure Oasys has similar sounds on offer - Korg's marvellous S+S taken to new levels.
But I don't want anyone to be misled into thinking that if you buy my 'M/01' lib and do a conversion job on it, you will transplant an M1 and 01W into your Oasys with all the presets of those synths! You won't. You'll have some good sounds with a retro 80s S+S flavour and a modern character ... but as I say, I am sure Oasys has tons of those anyway!
I just want to be clear on this.
Cheers,
Steve
Rather, they are a 'representation' of the early Korg S+S synths to give a 'flavour' of those synths. And they're not strictly M1 and 01W - the 'M/01' title was just a convenient title for the library as a rough indication of the vintage of the sounds. It actually includes bits and pieces from M1, M1 Xpander module, O1W (or was it the module?), X5DR and others I could lay my hands on at the time. The custom edits and sound design and then the sampling process gave them their own character and this latest incarnation in Kontakt with the fixed formant filters and Kontakt's internal effects have taken them to another level with a new character.
Frankly, as attractive as the library may seem, I am sure Oasys has similar sounds on offer - Korg's marvellous S+S taken to new levels.
But I don't want anyone to be misled into thinking that if you buy my 'M/01' lib and do a conversion job on it, you will transplant an M1 and 01W into your Oasys with all the presets of those synths! You won't. You'll have some good sounds with a retro 80s S+S flavour and a modern character ... but as I say, I am sure Oasys has tons of those anyway!
I just want to be clear on this.
Cheers,
Steve
Hi Steve - thanks for popping in... 
(thanks too for your email reply)
Also, many thanks for your clear thoughts - I totally accept there's work to do and could be a lot of it!
Although it was the M/01 that made me curious, it was the Nebulae pack that got me thinking about this!
I think it's worth a try... so I'll be in touch
If any of you sample guru's are around to offer guidance for sampling with the O, could be a useful thread!
(thanks too for your email reply)Also, many thanks for your clear thoughts - I totally accept there's work to do and could be a lot of it!
Although it was the M/01 that made me curious, it was the Nebulae pack that got me thinking about this!
I think it's worth a try... so I'll be in touch
If any of you sample guru's are around to offer guidance for sampling with the O, could be a useful thread!
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The OASYS reads Korg format multisamples (KMP with associated folder containing KSF's), the same as from the Triton and M3, so if the samples are already available in Kontakt format it should be a fairly automated process to convert them.
Although as hollowsun himself says, it sounds like there is crossfading and other tricks to the samples, so perhaps the best way to convert would be to already own Kontakt and simply re-sample the entire thing at a higher note spacing resolution.
Although as hollowsun himself says, it sounds like there is crossfading and other tricks to the samples, so perhaps the best way to convert would be to already own Kontakt and simply re-sample the entire thing at a higher note spacing resolution.
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Why don't you try it out on one of the freepacks HERE. Assess the job for nothing. Try one of the smaller ones and see how you get on.cello wrote:I think it's worth a try... so I'll be in touch
I should also mention another thing...
Different samplers deal with loops slightly differently. Some loop back at the loop end point, others loop back at the sample point before the loop end and others loop back a sample after the loop end. In other words, depending on how Oasys deals with loops, you may or may not get little clicks in the loops. If you do, you may have to adjust the loop end back or forward a sample point or two.
Also, when I did some work for Korg Japan a few years back (using a Triton to develop samples for the Micro-X and offshoots), ISTR that loop points HAVE to be on a zero crossing point. It doesn't matter if the waveform matches perfectly at the loop point, if the loops aren't on zero crossing, they will click (if I remember correctly).
I'm not saying that you will have these problems, just something to watch out for.
But as I say, rather than be out of pocket and waste money, experiment with the Freepacks and see how you get on.
Cheers,
Steve
That's a great suggestion Steve 
Downloaded a couple of freebies, but they are .nki files... I know I can work with .wav ones but wondering how I can use these?
Bear in mind I don't have kontakt or DAWs or the such like!!
Downloaded a couple of freebies, but they are .nki files... I know I can work with .wav ones but wondering how I can use these?
Bear in mind I don't have kontakt or DAWs or the such like!!
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No, it's common practice to sample sounds from other keyboards and VSTi's to make commercial libraries and VSTi's.salcerin wrote:Wasn't Illegal To Sample Sounds off a Keyboard and Sell those sampled sounds?
I am Confused !
This Means I can Sell the Best Samples from Korg Oasys so they can Used on Roland Synths??
What do you think?
Take a look at all the gear that was sampled to make Omnisphere for example.
http://www.spectrasonics.net/instrument ... arlist.php
Also, where do you think all the samples on the keyboards come from in the fist place ?
Where you enter a grey area is if you sample the factory presets without modifying them. Since this is not what HollowSun did, everything is pretty straight forward.
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Sharp