Kronos Graphic Sequencer

[Kontrol49]

I am very curious if the Kronos sequencer will support Midi Time Code and Midi Machine Control.

David -

I doubt it,most of there sequencers Oasys included never supported MTC,its partly a reason why I never sequence on the Oasys,having those extra sync options makes all the difference in large midi setups

Korg sequencers are not designed by people who use them to a great extent,or at all,because many basic midi operations are not present and there is too much fuss to go back and forth between sequence pages for basic editing procedures.(even the M3 is far behind many decent hardware sequencer options)Unless Korg seriously rework the sequencers they seem to just "Bolt on" I will never purchase another workstation from them.It was fine in the days of the Trinity and Triton as I didn't really utilise much else other than a couple of synths so the 16 tracks of them were fine however as the setup grew the sequencers became limited

Everyone has their own way of working but I just find the Sequencers on the Workstations so frustrating to do basic things,when you use things like MPC or MV or even the Yamaha QY700 the Korg methods are so lame,in this day and age simply having a 16 track sequencer is pretty s**t,I like to keep drum sounds on seperate tracks unti lI'm happy with the sequence,using this method as well as layering up sounds together soon eats up the tracks count and its already forcing you to either bounce those midi datas together or to audio them which isn't how i like to work its kind of forcing you into a way of working thats unecessary.

Especially when you have to compromise those channels between internal and external sound sources if you run outboard midi gear too,Its why I could never use the oasys sequencer as the central sequencing hub even with 16 audio tracks....

I would have thought having 16 internal channels as well as 16 for outboard use would be at least a start,simply bolting a 16 track audio recorder,which also (when you compare it to how operations are simply executed and done on the D16XD/32XD recorders)the Audio recording and importing on the Korg espeially the Oasys is pathetic,its like painting your house through the letterbox when comes to importing files,cutting and pasting files is a pain in the ass too much festering around

I can't see why they didn't simply port the D16/32XD OS into the Oasys,with such a large touchscreen it would be simply heaven to use it for audio manipulation


I think there is going to be a case of Deja-vu here again with the Kronos sequencer as was with Oasys in that,its going to have a whole new breed of user not used to the Sequencers in the Korgs and soon finding out they are not what most people expected for the cash outlay and fall well below that standards they'd expect in a sequencer,there ok as a scratchpad and nothing else...

[Shakil]

Kontrol49..... Fantom-G has 128 MIDI tracks, and 32 MIDI channels, 16 internal and 16 dedicated external.

[Kontrol49]

Kontrol49..... Fantom-G has 128 MIDI tracks, and 32 MIDI channels, 16 internal and 16 dedicated external.

Yes I know same as the MV8800(although MV can have 48 Midi channels with the Rbuss)plus its own 16 internal instruments(via the sampler) which I use alongside an Akai MPC4000 which allows 64 Channels of reception.possibly the best hardware sequencers ever invented IMHO

I was talking about the Kronos Sequencer which is the same as the Oasys,its far too limited,especially when you consider how old the MPC4K and also Yamaha QY700 are too,these knock spots off them,this is why I find it odd how people say the Fantom G has a s**t sequencer...its by far and away the best sequencer that has graced a workstation to me,even if they tried too hard to make it feel like a software option with the Mouse intergration its a step in the right direction to me and how workstations all in one concepts should be heading,i like the way I can simply use the Roland MV8800 standalone and also use it like a software application with a monitor without the need for a learning curve for either method.

I'm sure you'll find that your MC808(which I also have)has a far better sequencer in terms of ease of use on than the Kronos,the only thing useful in the korgs are the RPPR and the cue list,and they ditched the cue list option in the Oasys which was great for working with multi track patterns or sections of songs to build up arrangements its why I use MPC/MV

[jahrome]

MPC 5000/4000 and the MV-8000 are outstanding hardware sequencers. It would be nice to have a keyboard workstation that has the power of these sequencers that were created 4-10 years ago.

[Sina172]

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[Kontrol49]

MPC 5000/4000 and the MV-8000 are outstanding hardware sequencers. It would be nice to have a keyboard workstation that has the power of these sequencers that were created 4-10 years ago.

Totally agree,thats the one thing that lacks in these Standalone sequencers is having a decent Sound engine,the sample aspect is good so you can load your own sounds in,but it would be nice to have a fully fledged Rompler in there too,the MPC5000 although includes a VA,its still sample based not actually a seperate engine thats independent from the Sampler,The only thing I could fault on the MV8800 is the fact the Audio recorder side doesn't function like a typical Linear based audio multitrack but it has ways round it.In terms of workflow I prefer the MPC4K but use the MV as much mainly for the writing aspect,I also do basic demos on the MC808 because this does have a decent Sound engine(although a bit limited as to editing(unless hooked up to the PC editor)and its so quick and immediatte to get ideas flowing,I'll then usually export that data as SMF across to the MPC,So i can then integrate everything else in the studio as the mpc is the central sequencing hub

I've used Korgs sequencers since the M1 days and sequenced on them up until The Tritons line,they were useful and easy to manipulate,but until you start exploring things like the MPC sequencers realise how limited they are,I'm not saying they aren't useable,as I've sequenced on them for many years,the Trinity was a breakthrough,but were now in 2011 and korg still think its acceptable to have this outdated limited OS in the Kronos/Oasys

There are so many basic midi editing functions missing from the Korg sequencers that would make them so much more flexible if they looked at it as a performer/Programmers point of view,MPC/MV way of working isn't everyone's cup of tea but its suits me to be able to make songs in sections and fire those patterns off from a single pad and then chain them together to make a song structure,I used to do this with The Cue list on the Triton but they ditched it,even the ability to keep the sequencer in recording mode and switch tracks is something the korgs lack or even keep in Loop mode and audition tracks whilst keeping the flow going,theres is so many workflow restrictions with them.

I seem to recall a thread only recently whereby someone griped about the inability to be able to edit drums sounds without reverting back to Global mode to make changes.Something like having an extra Hardware midi out port would be a basic step in the right direction with a flagship workstation.

[Shakil]

Sina,

Most of the Roland MIDI keyboards and sound modules have this option called 'remote keyboard'. If you enable this option, then you do not have to change MIDI out channels on the external MIDI keyboard when you have to play/record on different Channels on the modules.

Fantom G sequencer is like MV, where you can record multiple channels into a phrase, but can not record multiple phrases with single channel data onto each track at once.

So, I think you had remote Keyboard switch ON on MV, and when you muted tracks on OASYS combi, it only muted onboard tracks, and not outgoing MIDI, so MV recorded them to a single track.

[Kontrol49]

I find most of what he writes laughable,he's always got an issue with something,and if he cared to read the manuals and use the devices for more than 5 minutes would see that although the mv or mpcs doesn't have a Multirecord function directly its possible to seperate multichannel inputs in a single track recording onto there own seperate midi channels/tracks after its been recorded its a simple matter of a few button presses.

I don't see why Lack of Multitrecording is a problem per se,if I remember correctly he whined about how he couldn't transfer sequences he made on the Triton into the MV as it didn't have Multirecord,just shows a lack of knowledge as any normal person would simply save the Files on the Triton as SMF and port them across,would take literally seconds to do than spend time recording everything in realtime!!!!Talk about making life difficult for yourself,

I take everything he says with a pinch of salt it wasn't that long ago he was rating the MV(and it wasnt 2007 Sina neither,as I didn't own an MV until summer 2008 and you got yours way after I was posting about its functions),as you randomly PM me asking if I would ask your mom and dad to convince them to lend you the money to buy one and gave me there pHone number to call them,banging on about how life changing the MV was for your music,which is one of the reasons I think your not the full ticket as I don't even know you or live in the same country....Rather a random request to ask a stranger and a bit odd to say the least!!just another Crisis post like your stolen Oasys saga.

Its always the same story,its the best device you've ever owned until you find a flaw with it like the fantom G you rated then called it s**t dare say we'll here the same story with the kronos .......yadayadayada

[Sina172]

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[cello]

And I am BEYOND happy with my Fantom-X8's. They are everything I needed in a Sequencer and since I have two of them, I have 32 Tracks to work with and double the memory for everything I do before I take a take it all into Logic.

Sina

So 32 tracks with your Fantoms.

Then 8 x 16 with your OASYS = 128 tracks

Then you have 48(?) Tritons with 16 tracks = 768

So you have a total of 928 tracks available? Let's half it assuming L/R split of each sound 464 distinct sounds... ?

I've got to hear this! Most pop songs only between 5 and 10 distinct sounds... An orchestra at full belt will have around 30 or 40 distinct sounds... Mike Oldfield or Jean Michelle Jarre could be nearer 60 for longer pieces. Vangelis can produce musical perfection with only 4.

So - go to soundcloud and upload some of your work! Seriously, I'd love to hear what so many distinct sounds produce!

[Kontrol49]

I DID save them to SMF files, but even THAT was frustrating cause I couldn't just hit Record on the MV and hit Play on the Triton and record it ALL in ONE take

That must be the best quote ever,and obviously shows that you have absolutely no idea what your talking about...

if you transfered the data over as a Standard midi file sequence why would you need to then record from the Triton at all.

As for not being a multitimbral sound module,read the definition of the term you would see the MV is a multitimbral capable device,it may have to utilise it via the Sampler but its still multitimbral,it simply doesn't have Multitrack recording in the same manner of oasys or Triton but does have multichannel input on recording,there is a difference and if you'd cared to listen or read the Manuals you would have realised that.

I'm convinced you are a total and utter Dimwit cos everytime you open your mouth you simply confirm it!

[Melodialworks Music]

So you have a total of 928 tracks available? Let's half it assuming L/R split of each sound 464 distinct sounds... ?

I've got to hear this!

So - go to soundcloud and upload some of your work! Seriously, I'd love to hear what so many distinct sounds produce!

You can hear ONE song at http://www.myspace.com/sinasmusic2 !

[cello]

So you have a total of 928 tracks available? Let's half it assuming L/R split of each sound 464 distinct sounds... ?

I've got to hear this!

So - go to soundcloud and upload some of your work! Seriously, I'd love to hear what so many distinct sounds produce!

You can hear ONE song at http://www.myspace.com/sinasmusic2 !

Thanks for the link! Assuming drums and variations are on different tracks I counted nearly 20 distinct sounds, so double it to 40 (for L and R)... Hardly using the power of all those machines is it? That's less than 10% of the capability!

[Sina172]

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[ScoobyDoo555]

I DID save them to SMF files, but even THAT was frustrating cause I couldn't just hit Record on the MV and hit Play on the Triton and record it ALL in ONE take

That must be the best quote ever,and obviously shows that you have absolutely no idea what your talking about...

if you transfered the data over as a Standard midi file sequence why would you need to then record from the Triton at all.

As for not being a multitimbral sound module,read the definition of the term you would see the MV is a multitimbral capable device,it may have to utilise it via the Sampler but its still multitimbral,it simply doesn't have Multitrack recording in the same manner of oasys or Triton but does have multichannel input on recording,there is a difference and if you'd cared to listen or read the Manuals you would have realised that.

I'm convinced you are a total and utter Dimwit cos everytime you open your mouth you simply confirm it!

LOL - I did question the logic of this process myself (being a mere producer/engineer/programmer for the last 20 years, so very little actual experience in the field - I'm always open to new approaches though) but gave it wide birth as I've worked with a great many artists who have "novel" approaches to working methods (and that's putting it politely).

A couple of famous quotes spring to mind - read in to them what you will -

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." Charles Darwin

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and to appear stupid than to open it and to remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Dan