Kronos: first impression of the Oasys owner

JimH · Post by **JimH** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:43 am

Between work and home I've had about four HDDs die that I can remember. And it's not until after they do and you lose data do you think, "Man, why didn't I do a backup?" So these days with the cost of hard disk space so cheap I think preventative maintenance is a good idea---replace a hard drive after four years or so even if it still works.

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:23 am

McHale wrote:If the OASYS HDD fails, you put in a new one (it's just a laptop HDD) and load the OS from the included discs. Couldn't be easier. Probably one of the first things I'm going to do with my KRONOS is put in a laptop hard drive, load the OS from the discs and put it away for safe keeping.

Is it easy to replace? Is it for users to replace it?

Why would you replace the Kronos SSD with a laptop HDD?

cello · Post by **cello** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:11 am

This is something OASYS users learned a while ago - make backups!

Frankly I don't think that SSD or HDD makes any difference to good practice... because of the way the banks are structured, K and O users really have to work out their own way of storing the sounds they use - and then make back-ups - ALL the time!

NEVER, EVER just rely on whatever onboard storage device there happens to be. It will end in tears - eventually.

Take this from someone who learned the hard way...

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:34 am

cello wrote:This is something OASYS users learned a while ago - make backups!

Frankly I don't think that SSD or HDD makes any difference to good practice... because of the way the banks are structured, K and O users really have to work out their own way of storing the sounds they use - and then make back-ups - ALL the time!

NEVER, EVER just rely on whatever onboard storage device there happens to be. It will end in tears - eventually.

Take this from someone who learned the hard way...

Well everything can have defects or become defect. But HDD have physical spinning plates and a read/writing head that is very vulnerable and have a limited life span.

An SSD doesn't have physical parts, SSD is like USB-stick on steroids. The SSD cells have limited lifespan, but they never die at the same time.
The SSD drive has some firmware inside that makes the data cycle as you write to the SSD, meaning it will use a different cell next time you make a save. This increases it's lifespan. Before this was implemented in an SSD drive the drive could live for 5 years writing large amount of data every day, don't remember the exact number, but you will never transfer so much data on a Kronos in 5 years. Once the SSD cells die, the firmware blocks them out, meaning disks pace will gradually be reduced.

So the SSD have a slow death, you will be able to make backups unless there are other electronics in the SSD that dies before the actual storage area.

The HDD might start getting click sounds before it dies or suddenly die, I don't know if you can hear it from outside of the Oasys, but the click sounds will mean that you should backup and replace the HDD. You never know when it suddenly dies.

Backups are allways nice what ever disk type, even lightning strike can kill an SSD as well as a HDD.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:41 pm

robinkle wrote:Is it easy to replace? Is it for users to replace it?

It's very easy to replace. The OASYS was designed for very easy user access to the internals.

robinkle wrote:Why would you replace the Kronos SSD with a laptop HDD?

Just long enough to build a spare HD. I would then put the SSD back. This will be my main gigging keyboard so if it fails, I need to get it up and running ASAP.

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:45 pm

McHale wrote:
robinkle wrote:Is it easy to replace? Is it for users to replace it?
It's very easy to replace. The OASYS was designed for very easy user access to the internals.

robinkle wrote:Why would you replace the Kronos SSD with a laptop HDD?
Just long enough to build a spare HD. I would then put the SSD back. This will be my main gigging keyboard so if it fails, I need to get it up and running ASAP.

The reason Korg got to make Kronos play the samples directly from the SSD, is because the SSD is much faster then a regular HDD.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:53 pm

robinkle wrote:The reason Korg got to make Kronos play the samples directly from the SSD, is because the SSD is much faster then a regular HDD.

yah. I know. As stated, the HDD is a backup of the SSD. If the SSD fails, I have the HDD which will get the KRONOS up and running while the SSD is replaced. Streaming samples are a very small part of the overall functionality of the KRONOS, especially considering it has the pianos from the OASYS.

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:55 pm

McHale wrote:
robinkle wrote:The reason Korg got to make Kronos play the samples directly from the SSD, is because the SSD is much faster then a regular HDD.
yah. I know. As stated, the HDD is a backup of the SSD. If the SSD fails, I have the HDD which will get the KRONOS up and running while the SSD is replaced. Streaming samples are a very small part of the overall functionality of the KRONOS, especially considering it has the pianos from the OASYS.

I'll be impressed if you can get it to work. And you might have to open the Kronos.

You could however replace your Backup HDD with a SSD so you won't have to deal with HDD. If you happen to drop your HDD on the floor it's dead.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:00 pm

robinkle wrote:And you might have to open the Kronos.

This is on the immediate plans when it arrives. SOMEONE needs to be the first to void their warranty.

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:02 pm

McHale wrote:
robinkle wrote:And you might have to open the Kronos.
This is on the immediate plans when it arrives. SOMEONE needs to be the first to void their warranty.

You're full of jokes.

panrixx · Post by **panrixx** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:03 pm

I'm not sure he is joking

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:04 pm

panrixx wrote:I'm not sure he is joking

I think it's somewhere in between, but he jokes often.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:11 pm

robinkle wrote:You're full of jokes.

I discovered the M3 SD swap when it was 2 weeks old. I mounted the power supply inside my m50 when it was about 5 months old. I assure you, I'm not joking.

There'll be plenty of pics, I promise.

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:21 pm

panrixx wrote:I'm not sure he is joking

Haha, he is serious, I've seen the pictures!

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:29 pm

McHale wrote:SOMEONE needs to be the first to void their warranty.

I think the dude who glued his datawheel in might have beaten you to the punch.

@robinkle: he ain't joking. I can promise you that.