Why The DesignGraphic Of Combis/Sequencer mode Is Very Poor?

Discussion relating to the Korg Kronos Workstation.

Moderators: Sharp, X-Trade, Pepperpotty, karmathanever

User avatar
polop
Junior Member
Posts: 61
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:39 pm

Why The DesignGraphic Of Combis/Sequencer mode Is Very Poor?

Post by polop »

hi, why korg dont update the look of mode combis/sequencer? it's very poor for the capacity of this machine, the program mode is more fun with the piano, electric piano design & others small pictures for instruments (mini screen of trumpets, voices, synthé dw8000, korg electribe ect.. but when select combis or songs i think it's very good for the best feeling if we can play for example a piano section while seeing this screen:

Image

a special section in mode songs/combis for View the instrument will be a great idea :-({|=

ps: another example of kronos design graphic too much old:

Fantom G
Image

Korg Kronos
Image

Korg Kronos
Image

Fantom G
Image


I think KORG could make an effort for a machine which costs this PRICE :roll: this is not a Toy


TO take example on ROLAND
Image

Korg Kronos
Image
Last edited by polop on Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:09 pm, edited 8 times in total.
padking
Full Member
Posts: 178
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:50 am
Location: Laval,quebec

Post by padking »

it's maybe simpler with program , often
one instrument (piano)

with a combi like the era of Kronos, what
kind of picture do you use ?

There's a lot of information on the first page
of a combi not much space left for anything,
and hey! the fonts are small enough no
space to spare.

Padking
User avatar
polop
Junior Member
Posts: 61
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:39 pm

Post by polop »

hi padking, in the special section "instrument view" for example, play & record in selected channel with the screen like electric piano ect.. after you can select another section first page for mix or other.

ps: for example!:look at this image of jp

imagine you are with the kronos in section "instrument view" in track 1

Image

after you select track 2 ect..

Image
aron
Platinum Member
Posts: 1552
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:03 am
Location: Hawaii
Contact:

Post by aron »

Wow, they should put that in Logic Pro too! I don't like your picture because it's obviously unfinished. They should have Avatars like the Wii or PS3.

I think Garage Band for the iPad has a screen like this. Much cooler though.

and think, Garage Band costs $5.

Image
Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad.
User avatar
polop
Junior Member
Posts: 61
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:39 pm

Post by polop »

I think Garage Band for the iPad has a screen like this.Much cooler though.
yes garage has very good icons, i looked too the fantom g, kronos sequencer has need for relooking extreme


Image

Image
aron
Platinum Member
Posts: 1552
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:03 am
Location: Hawaii
Contact:

Post by aron »

This is a sort of a joke, but you know, if you guys have ever used Sequencer Plus from the old, old old days, it never crashed and just was a killer sequencer considering it was ASCII based.

No reason why something like this couldn't run on the Kronos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_p4IgBD5oE
Korg Kronos, RD-88, Yamaha VL1, Deep Mind 6, Korg Kross, author of unrealBook for iPad.
sani
Senior Member
Posts: 354
Joined: Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:45 am
Location: Croatia

Re: Why The Design Of Combis/Sequencer mode Is Very Poor?

Post by sani »

polop wrote:hi, why korg dont update the look of mode combis/sequencer? it's very poor for the capacity of this machine, the program mode is more fun with the piano, electric piano design & others small pictures for instruments (mini screen of trumpets, voices, synthé dw8000, korg electribe ect.. but when select combis or songs i think it's very good for the best feeling if we can play for example a piano section while seeing this screen:
The combi mode is a multitimbral mode where you play up to 16 timbres either as split or layer or a combination of both. Personally, the last thing I would want to have is looking at the screen changing some "fancy" icons whenever I move from one part zone to another. The purpose of the screen is to give you information and not to entertain you for some fun reasons.
User avatar
michelkeijzers
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant
Posts: 9112
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:10 pm
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Post by michelkeijzers »

I rather have a symbol into each combi screen to show which timbres are actually giving sound (i.e. when I play on a Kronos or external keyboard connected to the Kronos, that it shows a level bar or symbol).

Now the only way to find out which timbre(s) I should select for changing a sound is to mute all one by one or check the MIDI channels and key/velocity zones.
Image
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/
User avatar
runningman67
Platinum Member
Posts: 1663
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:13 pm
Location: Manchester UK

Post by runningman67 »

padking wrote:it's maybe simpler with program , often
one instrument (piano)

with a combi like the era of Kronos, what
kind of picture do you use ?


Padking

Simple. A picture of Rich, Dan and Sharp !!! :wink:
padking
Full Member
Posts: 178
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:50 am
Location: Laval,quebec

Post by padking »

Well it's does look much better, but is it
very useful ? I think it's very personal,
but if they can find I good blend between
good look and effectiveness why not ?

Padking
User avatar
jimknopf
Platinum Member
Posts: 3374
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:52 pm

Post by jimknopf »

Padking, nothing against nice design and some pics.

But frankly, to me more pics in combis(!) is about the LEAST important thing in such a synth as a Kronos. I just try to imagine little pics for the different kinds of sounds in a Minimoog.

I agree that the sequencer could use a good update both in surface and functions. It's functionality is better than it looks at first sight though, and effectively I can use it better than the one I had on my Fantom G. The latter looked good, but had an even more problematic level of functionality (missing important edit functions, fat problems with uneven measures, bugs like a mouse not hitting the tracks where it pointed, unnecessary switching between modes etc.).

My clear priority for the Kronos would be:
- solve hardware issues where they occured
- publish the editor
- update the sequencer to at least M3 level
- formatting options in song lists
- etc. etc.
and only then, after a lot of other things, something like little pics for instruments in combis would come to my mind.
Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5
User avatar
runningman67
Platinum Member
Posts: 1663
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:13 pm
Location: Manchester UK

Post by runningman67 »

In piano mode I'd have a pic if angelina jolie playing the piano. Drum programme, angelina jolie playing the drums. Synth programme angelina jolie playing the synth.

Infact if my Kronos was like that. The whole keyboard would be a 'horn' section!!
:roll:
User avatar
irtehyar
Junior Member
Posts: 88
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:05 am
Location: South Florida, USA

Post by irtehyar »

=D>
User avatar
michelkeijzers
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant
Posts: 9112
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:10 pm
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Post by michelkeijzers »

jimknopf wrote:Padking, nothing against nice design and some pics.

But frankly, to me more pics in combis(!) is about the LEAST important thing in such a synth as a Kronos. I just try to imagine little pics for the different kinds of sounds in a Minimoog.

I agree that the sequencer could use a good update both in surface and functions. It's functionality is better than it looks at first sight though, and effectively I can use it better than the one I had on my Fantom G. The latter looked good, but had an even more problematic level of functionality (missing important edit functions, fat problems with uneven measures, bugs like a mouse not hitting the tracks where it pointed, unnecessary switching between modes etc.).

My clear priority for the Kronos would be:
- solve hardware issues where they occured
- publish the editor
- update the sequencer to at least M3 level
- formatting options in song lists
- etc. etc.
and only then, after a lot of other things, something like little pics for instruments in combis would come to my mind.
I agree to this, however since I'm not so into sequencing/songs, I would like more features for easier handling of programs/combis etc. But the main priority is equal:
- first hardware issues
- major software bugs (there aren't any ones left I think)
- software features
- minor software bugs and/or gimmicks
Image
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/
User avatar
michelkeijzers
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant
Posts: 9112
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:10 pm
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Post by michelkeijzers »

runningman67 wrote:In piano mode I'd have a pic if angelina jolie playing the piano. Drum programme, angelina jolie playing the drums. Synth programme angelina jolie playing the synth.

Infact if my Kronos was like that. The whole keyboard would be a 'horn' section!!
:roll:
This is the second day I give a new 'business case' to Korg:

Let them bring out updates where Angelina Jolie is really playing the instrument you select (per category). So not a picture, but a video.

Korg could even ask money for it (and possibly it would be sold too). And make with other celebraties too ... And one with Jordan Rudess for women to buy ( ???)
Image
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/
Post Reply

Return to “Korg Kronos”