Karma arps suck

[QuiRobinez]

The note lengths are not right or something it sounds off compared to my virus.

The virus lets you control all that.

So does the kronos

[Hexfix93]

It still does not sound right at all.

[QuiRobinez]

It still does not sound right at all.

You can use the virus arp with your kronos if you like that arp more.

Karma is not a standard arp. It's an algorithmic note and midi cc generator with 100's of parameters per ge. So if you only changed the ge of a sound then probably it doesn't sound right because those other parameters could interfere with the generated patterns. That's easy to solve, but again, you should spent time learning how to do that.

[Hexfix93]

It sucks man, why not standard arps in karma like the triton.

[SanderXpander]

lol

[danatkorg]

It still does not sound right at all.

Try this:

1. Select Program U-E 005: Stab Saw.

2. On the KARMA -> MIDI Filter CC Offset page, in the CC Offset section, set CC Numbers 1-4 to Off. (These let KARMA change CC values, such as front-panel knobs, when enabled; turning them Off lets you hear just the arpeggiator.)

3. On the KARMA -> GE Setup/Key Zones page, set the GE to 004: Arp Model 05 Rand.

4. On the front panel, press the RT KNOBS/KARMA button to the left of the control surface, in the CONTROL ASSIGN section.

5. Turn on the front-panel KARMA ON button, if it's not on already.

6. Play and hold a chord, and experiment with the following controls:

Slider 1: swing
Slider 3: note duration
Slider 5: arpeggiator range
Slider 7: polyphonic note repeat (cool for accents)
Switch 3: transpose
Switch 4: random on/off

Hope this helps!

[JPWC]

That which kicks our butts, sucks

[NuSkoolTone]

That which kicks our butts, sucks

:OR: unless you just happen to know better

Baaaaaaa look this is so fun! Oh, so you mean to do something original or specific I have to buy extra software and hook it up to a computer? How much did you pay for it already? Um....wow. Ok.

[QuiRobinez]

well, there should be something in the standard GE's that's close to what you try to achieve.

Standard Arpeggiator patterns you know from most synths are available in KARMA, these are covered in the first 32 KARMA GE's, that contains standard up / down patterns and variations on those up and down patterns.

But there's more than just the standard work, there are over 3000 GE's available in separate categories. Every GE has 64 pattern variations to start with.

That are 3000 * 64 patterns as your startpoint for a pattern = 192.000 patterns. Every pattern can be modified in depth with 32 programmable parameters on the Kronos itself and there are lots of extra parameters available that modifies the behaviour of the KARMA module itself like random seeds for instance which constantly modifies the KARMA pattern when the specific RTC model supports it.

And don't forget, this is not only note information, but also things like CC patterns (like cutoff, resonance, volume gating, panning, etc.), pitchbend, note scanning with custom note tables and even patterns that uses wavetables. And all these things are connected to templates that you can change in the settings.

This gives you millions of possibilities just out of the box without the need of any software.

(i've said 3000 GE's but actually there are more, but i'm not behind the system at the moment)

There isn't an arpeggiator in the world that comes close to these kind of possibilities. That's why KARMA can't be considered as a traditional old skool arpeggiator, it's more an algorithmic pattern generator. Sure you can use it as a note arpeggiator by setting the KARMA filters to note generation only, but it can do so much more then just simple note arpeggiating. The downside is that you have to spent time on it to learn how to use it.

Now if you don't want to do that, that is fine, but that can't be a real problem because the world is full of alternative simple arpeggiator solutions that you could use with your kronos. But if you choose to go that way you will miss a lot of the inspirational fun the KARMA engine has to offer.

but there are lots of alternatives that work with the kronos like:
- virus ti arp: where you can draw note lengths per step
- ipad: steppolyarp (just feed the note information in and you will get a standard arp pattern you drawn on the ipad screen in return)
- ipad: Yamaha Keyboard Arp & Drum Pad, which gives you 342 arps you can use with the Kronos or other synths
- Cubase DAW arp: where you can create arps from every midi pattern you like
- polysix arp: standard up / down arps
- JP8000 arp: standard up / down arps
- motif XF arp: 7881 predefined arppegiator patterns
- and thousends of simple other arps available in all kind of synths, daw's or vst / au solutions

I combine the best of both worlds, i use standard basic arp solutions and instantly switch to KARMA for more in depth pattern generated solutions. You can even use an external basic arp to activate the KARMA GE patterns which in itself can give very interesting results. The only limitation these days is your own imagination of how to use all those powerful tools we got available as musicians.

I'm doing this all the time, for instance i use KARMA for notes, but i also use KARMA for modifying sounds in realtime.

Here's an example where i show the KARMA possibilities to create evolving motion pads:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXiG_-rdEXA

By the way, there are triton based arps available in the KARMA GEs (like the Techno 3 Arp). These are based on the Gated GV1 RTC model so it's possible to modify those to get something you like when you select that RTC model.

[levioter]

+1000
Not much to say !
Thanks Qui !

Again clear and sharp (The word not our favourite korg site owner (master ?))

Cheers

[EJ2]

Hi Hexfix,
I see others (e.g., Q, Dan et al) have provided you with detailed advice. However, as a developer of KARMA-fied combinations, let me try to help you philosophically get your head around KARMA by way of a simple analogy:

If you want an easy mode of transportation, ride a tricycle. If you want to fly beyond earth's atmosphere, pilot a space shuttle. The trike requires a minimal amount of learning, while the shuttle demands a steep learning curve. Now compare this with simple arps of a Triton v.s. KARMA GEs. Both can take your music places, but the latter will take you far and away beyond.

Think of KARMA GEs as arps on steroids. Actually, to me GEs are leagues beyond arps on steroids; and, the fact that you can manipulate these in real time as you play/compose/improvise makes them an even more powerful tool.

Now as has been pointed out, you can use the simple arp GEs. They are in the GE banks. You just have to learn how to look for them and you have to program them in whatever you are developing. It's really not that difficult, but as with more technical things, it will take some time and effort in the beginning. Trust me, though, as Q and other KARMA-fied program and combi developers can attest, once you get the hang of using GEs to take your music far and beyond, you'll never look back.

Hope that helps on the philosophical aspect of KARMA GEs v.s. simple arps.

[Hexfix93]

The syncopation and timing is weird on the arps, its like its not linear like the others.

And they pan and stuff, i hate it, no way to control the panning either from what i can tell.

[QuiRobinez]

The syncopation and timing is weird on the arps, its like its not linear like the others.

And they pan and stuff, i hate it, no way to control the panning either from what i can tell.

sure you can modify this.

Syncopation and timing can be influenced by setting the quantitize value for triggering and in what occasions it should be triggered.

panning is controlled by a parameter, you can also disable panning in the KARMA filter.

If you had taken the time to watch my tutorials for beginners (both karma tutorials) then you would know by now how to do this.

[Hexfix93]

I switched everything on the control surface and it did not effect the panning, and no the timing is not right on these, there are variations, i want a linear gated arp like on the triton, is there a file i can download for this?

[QuiRobinez]

I switched everything on the control surface and it did not effect the panning, and no the timing is not right on these, there are variations, i want a linear gated arp like on the triton, is there a file i can download for this?

Gated arps are in the chord category based on the gv rtc models.