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Turn of the Master Transpose Lock in the Global -

GLOBAL > LOCK > MASTER TRANSPOSE

Master transpose from performance or style? Or may be both?I will need to change the setting, leave it like that for a while and then see f it helps.

miden wrote:Turn of the Master Transpose Lock in the Global -

GLOBAL > LOCK > MASTER TRANSPOSE

No in GLOBAL - that's why I clearly marked the steps!!!

Global means, well global - it affects the ENTIRE keyboard, all playing modes!!

You then need to save the Global setting (top right hand corner - little drop down arrow)

deepak wrote:Master transpose from performance or style? Or may be both?I will need to change the setting, leave it like that for a while and then see f it helps.

miden wrote:Turn of the Master Transpose Lock in the Global -

GLOBAL > LOCK > MASTER TRANSPOSE

Hi Miden, thanks for your response. The steps are GLOBAL > General Controls > LOCK > and then you have an other page under the "Tuning Tab" with 2 options lock / unlock TRANSPOSE from styles and another one is from performance. Hope we are on the same page here. I randomly lose transpose setting in the song book. It goes to C (0). Right now in my case, "master transpose from styles is Unlocked and Master transpose from performance is locked. I will try later unlocking that too and see what happens. The problem is eratic and random. I could be switching from song to song and it would be changing to correct transpose settings but at times randomly it would not..

If the global transpose is set to off, AND you re-save the global settings as I advised, then any transpose settings in a songlist entry will be valid.

I assume you DID save the global settings to memory after changing?

I had assumed you already had the Perf and Style also set to off. But if you didn't then these also must be set to off.

When on, they stop a performance or style from automatically altering transpose settings when loaded. You can of course manually alter transpose after loading.

This method (Master, From Perf and From Style all set to unlocked) will then allow ALL parts to be transposed by the songbook setting. Including live keyboard play, and midi file/mp3 file operation. Although I STRONGLY recommend against any sort of transposing on MP3's...sounds awful!!

Just a word of advice, stop making posts in other threads...you won't do any better by spamming other threads with the same questions!!!!

1.make sure all, read that again ALL three transpose lock settings are off. This way whatever settings you make anywhere get loaded when the resource gets loaded.

2. save to global by pushing the little down arrow at the top right, select Write Global -Setup, press okay.

If you do this correctly any transpose settings you have saved in a Songbook listing will load correctly.

Remember if you save a style with a transpose (not a songbook entry) the Songbook listing will over-ride the style setting, even if the songbook listing has NO transpose setting in which case it will reset transpose to 0. Same for those stored in a performance.

deepak wrote:Hi guys and Gals, purchased / upgraded PA 800 to PA3X. It loses transpose settings in the saved song book entries at times. Am I doing something wrong? I also notice a pop noise when I switch off the PA3X. Please comment. Thanks

Hi! I think I know the anser to your question. Let's suppose you have a style saved in Songbook with Transpose +3. If you use that Songbook entry and you want to modify a STS by using the Write STS command, the Transpose resets to 0 (zero). I think it's a bug that should be repaired in this new OS. So, my conclusion is that the error in saving Transpose comes when you edit a STS for that specific Sonbook entry. Korg team, keep an eye on this !

I have a couple of transpose affected songbook listings.

I have also edited the the STS for those songs on many occasions. It has NEVER removed or altered the transpose setting.

What you are saying is not a bug it is the normal operation.

Okay, if you load a songbook entry, it then loads up the style resource, but the settings you saved in the songbook modify the style resource when it loads, including all the STS settings you setup in the Songbook.

Now if you THEN subsequently edit the STS and save it, well the transpose setting gets reset to 0 as this is a default action of the OS, (unless you also save the style WITH a transpose) because overall the settings of a style and its STS settings are paramount. It is ONLY the Songbook listing that can over-ride this.

So in effect if you edit the STS and save it from the main window via the normal method of the drop down box at top right, you then MUST re-save the songbook listing, saving that edited STS and re-affirming the transpose.

In this way when the songbook entry is loaded again it will then load the correct transpose AND your newly edited STS.

The other method to ensure the transpose never gets affected, no matter how many times you edit the STS, is to actually have a set transpose on the style itself, then save that style as a user...but that just wastes user stye slots in my view...but you could do it...

No, all you need do is be concious of the fact you need to re-save the Songbook listing after all edits, and sometimes this necessitates re-setting the transpose too, depending on what you have actually edited at the style level.

And of course, have those three locks removed and save in your global settings

In my opinion transpose function is illegal if you're a musician!

LOL @ Daniel - I have it set for a couple of charts that are a few pages long and they are a bit too intense to do "on the fly" , and I couldn't be bothered to transcribe....too lazy

For those guys above, and anyone who doesn't know/understand this stuff..

Paste this html address into your browser and check it out. It REALLY explains the whole performance style structure...

file:///C:/Users/Dennis/Desktop/301-sts-performance-and-style-performance.html

miden wrote:I have a couple of transpose affected songbook listings.

I have also edited the the STS for those songs on many occasions. It has NEVER removed or altered the transpose setting.

What you are saying is not a bug it is the normal operation.

Okay, if you load a songbook entry, it then loads up the style resource, but the settings you saved in the songbook modify the style resource when it loads, including all the STS settings you setup in the Songbook.

Now if you THEN subsequently edit the STS and save it, well the transpose setting gets reset to 0 as this is a default action of the OS, (unless you also save the style WITH a transpose) because overall the settings of a style and its STS settings are paramount. It is ONLY the Songbook listing that can over-ride this.

So in effect if you edit the STS and save it from the main window via the normal method of the drop down box at top right, you then MUST re-save the songbook listing, saving that edited STS and re-affirming the transpose.

In this way when the songbook entry is loaded again it will then load the correct transpose AND your newly edited STS.

The other method to ensure the transpose never gets affected, no matter how many times you edit the STS, is to actually have a set transpose on the style itself, then save that style as a user...but that just wastes user stye slots in my view...but you could do it...

No, all you need do is be concious of the fact you need to re-save the Songbook listing after all edits, and sometimes this necessitates re-setting the transpose too, depending on what you have actually edited at the style level.

And of course, have those three locks removed and save in your global settings

Well. This doesn't happen on pa2x. you save the sts on mainscreen and pa2x saves the sts to the style resource not to the songbook entry. This also happens with write style current settings, with pa3x it saves on songbook entry (If you loaded an entry on songbook before) but on pa2x always write on style resource. On pa3x this doesn't make sense because you can write the sts or style resource on songbook menu just like in brother pa2x. Let's suppose i want to save a style resource to the style itself with an exact copy of the style on songbook entry ... How can i do it on pa3x??? The same apply to sts..... I know i can make a save to perfomance and then write it to the style but it's not so easy. This is a bug from my point of view because it is not supose to work like that.

Also, on pa2x you can have transpose locked on style resource and unlocked on songbook..... try it on pa3x........you can´t.....

About transpose use.... i'm a musician with classic formation (conservatory Classic piano course) and i use transpose because it's there to help. I can sing a song in a key today and tomorrow because i'm tired i sing it half tone lower...... So i use the transpose and i do not feel i'm less musician because of that. I'd love to see playing Beethoven Pathetique sonata half tone down and up without weeks of training......... Just some Chosen by God pianists can really do it on first try. I know the majority of people here don't play this level of difficulty music on our daily gigs ( i know i don't lol) but it's just an example. You can think of jazz or other difficult music genres...

Just giving my opinion - Don't want to start a war with this.

Respects to all colleagues
Cheers

musicrazy wrote: Well. This doesn't happen on pa2x. you save the sts on mainscreen and pa2x saves the sts to the style resource not to the songbook entry. This also happens with write style current settings, with pa3x it saves on songbook entry (If you loaded an entry on songbook before) but on pa2x always write on style resource. On pa3x this doesn't make sense because you can write the sts or style resource on songbook menu just like in brother pa2x. Let's suppose i want to save a style resource to the style itself with an exact copy of the style on songbook entry ... How can i do it on pa3x??? The same apply to sts..... I know i can make a save to perfomance and then write it to the style but it's not so easy. This is a bug from my point of view because it is not supose to work like that.

Also, on pa2x you can have transpose locked on style resource and unlocked on songbook..... try it on pa3x........you can´t.....

Just giving my opinion - Don't want to start a war with this.

Respects to all colleagues
Cheers

Both of those are available on the PA3. Maybe you should buy one instead of speculating

You can lock loading transpose from a style BUT also still allow the Songbook to alter transpose, or vice verca.

The write style setting saves any changes to the style being used. However when you then save as a Songbook entry you can have a totally different setup if you like, even 4 totally different STS settings (and it does NOT affect the original style at all)

As for this... Let's suppose i want to save a style resource to the style itself with an exact copy of the style on songbook entry ... How can i do it on pa3x???

I mean REALLY!!

All you do is edit all the style data how you want set it up, save it to the style, and THEN save a Songbook entry ticking the Current resource box and the Save All current Style STS settings...

That way you get the EXACT copy of the saved style in both places . Although that really is a waste of resources when you can simply alter the core resource (style) and then save it WITHOUT affecting your database, with a Songbook save......I mean its all really simple and basic.

No war intended

miden

Not speculating ... you should not have said that because i think it's a bit inappropriate. I own pa3x like i owned pa1x pa800 pa2x.... indeed i was one of the first lucky ones on my country.

About transpose options ...maybe you are right ... or not....... I really can´t have a lock combination on pa3x that gives me styles transpose locked and songbook styles transpose unlocked. Have you successfully tried that on pa3x?....

About saving - i mean this example- I have a songbook entry with some neat settings i like and i want to save this settings to the style itself so when i call the style it is a copy of that songbook entry.Of course i can edit manually the style so it match with the songbook entry, but that is a waste of time. Before answer please try to do that transpose setting and test it. Maybe i'm wrong but i want you to confirm that on your keyboard if you can do that for me . I help when i can, and i ask help when i cannot.... So with this transpose thing i'm asking your help.

Still in peace.