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I own both a Roland Intrgra-7 and korg Kronos do I really need to upgrade my ram in the kronos?

only if you plan on adding large sample sets that would exhaust the available stock ram.

Hi Brilyint

Since it will only cost about £15 the questions is really WHY NOT?

Fred

+1

The Kronos is such a powerful and efficient sampling workstation since OS 2, that it would be kind of a waste not to use it with additional RAM at low costs.

And since the Integra has the big disadvantage not to allow you to use all of your favorite sounds from it, across it's different banks, at the same time, you could choose the supernatural sounds as your standard banks and then just resample your choice of other sounds, which are not avalilable while you are in your standard bank setup.

In other words: the Kronos would allow you to make better use of your Integra, than the Integra alone with it's typical Roland cripple design does allow you by itself.

jimknopf wrote:+1

The Kronos is such a powerful and efficient sampling workstation since OS 2, that it would be kind of a waste not to use it with additional RAM at low costs.

And since the Integra has the big disadvantage not to allow you to use all of your favorite sounds from it, across it's different banks, at the same time, you could choose the supernatural sounds as your standard banks and then just resample your choice of other sounds, which are not avalilable while you are in your standard bank setup.

In other words: the Kronos would allow you to make better use of your Integra, than the Integra alone with it's typical Roland cripple design does allow you by itself.

lol... jim, how come I knew that when I clicked on this thread to read it that SOMEWHERE before I got to the end of it, you were going to have said something negative about the Roland machine....

lol. at least you're consistent.

apex wrote:

jimknopf wrote:+1

The Kronos is such a powerful and efficient sampling workstation since OS 2, that it would be kind of a waste not to use it with additional RAM at low costs.

And since the Integra has the big disadvantage not to allow you to use all of your favorite sounds from it, across it's different banks, at the same time, you could choose the supernatural sounds as your standard banks and then just resample your choice of other sounds, which are not avalilable while you are in your standard bank setup.

In other words: the Kronos would allow you to make better use of your Integra, than the Integra alone with it's typical Roland cripple design does allow you by itself.

lol... jim, how come I knew that when I clicked on this thread to read it that SOMEWHERE before I got to the end of it, you were going to have said something negative about the Roland machine....

lol. at least you're consistent.

LOL reading this post makes me

Have I said anything not applying?

There's a lot of good and useful sounds in the Integra. But the the overall design is just as halfbaked as almost anything from Roland during the last years.
No big secret to anyone anymore, I guess.

@apex: I guess I'm about as constistent with my comments as Roland is with their kind of product development. And it is somehow funny IMO that the Kronos can make a better Integra of any Integra, isn't it?

jimknopf wrote:Have I said anything not applying?

There's a lot of good and useful sounds in the Integra. But the the overall design is just as halfbaked as almost anything from Roland during the last years.
No big secret to anyone anymore, I guess.

@apex: I guess I'm about as constistent with my comments as Roland is with their kind of product development. And it is somehow funny IMO that the Kronos can make a better Integra of any Integra, isn't it?

C'mon, a Fantom G or even an old Fantom X can do the same... No big deal
You don't lose an opportunity to bash them! Lol

PauloF wrote:

jimknopf wrote:Have I said anything not applying?

There's a lot of good and useful sounds in the Integra. But the the overall design is just as halfbaked as almost anything from Roland during the last years.
No big secret to anyone anymore, I guess.

@apex: I guess I'm about as constistent with my comments as Roland is with their kind of product development. And it is somehow funny IMO that the Kronos can make a better Integra of any Integra, isn't it?

C'mon, a Fantom G or even an old Fantom X can do the same... No big deal
You don't lose an opportunity to bash them! Lol

let me help out.

other than some supernatural sounds, same old Roland sounds, different box and different decade

and golly geewhiz, you can use your ipad with it

GregC wrote:

PauloF wrote:

jimknopf wrote:Have I said anything not applying?

There's a lot of good and useful sounds in the Integra. But the the overall design is just as halfbaked as almost anything from Roland during the last years.
No big secret to anyone anymore, I guess.

@apex: I guess I'm about as constistent with my comments as Roland is with their kind of product development. And it is somehow funny IMO that the Kronos can make a better Integra of any Integra, isn't it?

C'mon, a Fantom G or even an old Fantom X can do the same... No big deal
You don't lose an opportunity to bash them! Lol

let me help out.

other than some supernatural sounds, same old Roland sounds, different box and different decade

and golly geewhiz, you can use your ipad with it

I was referring to the Kronos, not to the integra...
What I meant was, a Fantom G or even a Fantom X can be used with the integra to do exactly the same as was mentioned for the Kronos

PauloF wrote:

jimknopf wrote:Have I said anything not applying?

There's a lot of good and useful sounds in the Integra. But the the overall design is just as halfbaked as almost anything from Roland during the last years.
No big secret to anyone anymore, I guess.

@apex: I guess I'm about as constistent with my comments as Roland is with their kind of product development. And it is somehow funny IMO that the Kronos can make a better Integra of any Integra, isn't it?

C'mon, a Fantom G or even an old Fantom X can do the same... No big deal
You don't lose an opportunity to bash them! Lol

Not really.
I had both a Fantom X and a G.
- loading samples to them lasts an eternity: not remotely comparable to Kronos SSD streaming
- sample management and sample file management are a tiresome disaster on both
- on a Kronos you can use some Gigabytes more of samples due to user sample streaming
Both are no match for a Kronos at all.

As I said, ironically enough, the smartest use of an Integra, with it's severe limitations of sounds available at the same time, seems to be using it in conncetion with a Kronos - if you like it or not.

jimknopf wrote:

PauloF wrote:

jimknopf wrote:Have I said anything not applying?

There's a lot of good and useful sounds in the Integra. But the the overall design is just as halfbaked as almost anything from Roland during the last years.
No big secret to anyone anymore, I guess.

@apex: I guess I'm about as constistent with my comments as Roland is with their kind of product development. And it is somehow funny IMO that the Kronos can make a better Integra of any Integra, isn't it?

C'mon, a Fantom G or even an old Fantom X can do the same... No big deal
You don't lose an opportunity to bash them! Lol

Not really.
I had both a Fantom X and a G.
- loading samples to them lasts an eternity: not remotely comparable to Kronos SSD streaming
- sample management and sample file management are a tiresome disaster on both
- on a Kronos you can use some Gigabytes more of samples due to user sample streaming
Both are no match for a Kronos at all.

As I said, ironically enough, the smartest use of an Integra, with it's severe limitations of sounds available at the same time, seems to be using it in conncetion with a Kronos - if you like it or not.

Well...I was not comparing the Kronos and Fantoms limitations, but only their use with the integra in the same context you mentioned.

If you ask me, Feature wise, the Kronos seems from a different league, but regarding build quality for a real heavy use, seems very fragile (according to the reports around).
They should have used the same Build quality as the mighty OASYS, at least.
I know...I know...difficult times for the economy...
But still a very nice board

PauloF wrote:

jimknopf wrote:

PauloF wrote: C'mon, a Fantom G or even an old Fantom X can do the same... No big deal
You don't lose an opportunity to bash them! Lol

Not really.
I had both a Fantom X and a G.
- loading samples to them lasts an eternity: not remotely comparable to Kronos SSD streaming
- sample management and sample file management are a tiresome disaster on both
- on a Kronos you can use some Gigabytes more of samples due to user sample streaming
Both are no match for a Kronos at all.

As I said, ironically enough, the smartest use of an Integra, with it's severe limitations of sounds available at the same time, seems to be using it in conncetion with a Kronos - if you like it or not.

Well...I was not comparing the Kronos and Fantoms limitations, but only their use with the integra in the same context you mentioned.

If you ask me, Feature wise, the Kronos seems from a different league, but regarding build quality for a real heavy use, seems very fragile (according to the reports around).
They should have used the same Build quality as the mighty OASYS, at least.
I know...I know...difficult times for the economy...
But still a very nice board

great idea. You should work for Korg

Paulo, while I have no problems with the Kronos built quality personally (not a single problem in about one and a half years use), you probably know from my comments in this board, that I have no problem naming critical issues concerning Kronos quality control either. To like a synth can't mean ignoring real issues.

Note also, that I'm not bashing the Integra for the sake of it, but in fact think it has a lot of nice and useful sounds. But yes, I'm definitely critical towards the strong sound choice limitations in it's design (among some other things), and yes, that reminds me a lot of similar - from my view quite arbitrary - layout limitations in recent Roland gear. You can disagree, but that's the way I look at it.

Have a good time making music!

I have to agree with Jim. The Integra is great as a "sound source", holding classic and ubiquitous Roland libraries, alongside some cool new SuperNatural tech. But as a "sound module", the gear is inhibited by design. This IS indicative of recent Roland design choices, so consistently that it almost seems purposeful and strategic. Almost as if...."if we don't put a fatal flaw in here, then what is to cause these same consumers to buy the next big thing we put out in a year or so?" The thing is: that strategy essentially WORKS! Which is why I believe Roland follows that proven sales model.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Integra is a very nice unit, and I wouldn't mind having one myself....but I would be fully aware of its limitations...and use it (read: work around it) accordingly.