How to make kronos piano sounds better!!

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How to make kronos piano sounds better!!

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So i've received complaints from some fellow kronos users that complaints the piano sounded thin and brittle and my non kronos users fellow who looked at the youtube videos, soundclouds and stuff and making statements that kronos pianos are unreal, thin, and brittle :facepalm:

Now, i've been experimenting with kronos' sgx piano (particularly german grand) for a few months, and i've formulated a new piano sound that were suited to my ears.. Sounded rich, mellowish - dark, full, and whatever you could call it :D

please select kronos german grand program first (i add this line after finishing this topic, sorry, you'll know the purpose later).

1. first AND FOREMOST (especially to weighted kronos user), go to global, and set the velocity curve to 9 (recommended for piano sounds --> korg said), but after a few months i've find it still produce a pretty thin piano sounds, so i decided to switch the curve to 3..
i said foremost, because using curve 4 will give you that youtube sounds --> bright and brittle and thin. also avoid using curve 5-6-7, and curve 2 and 1, it's too heavy..

2. now, select your piano character as your basis..
Personally i'm using german dark II. i prefer more dark sound. but if you don't prefer dark sound, you can use german d2, because we are going to make it darker anyway..
Thanks to mihmix and danatkorg, for more realism, you should choose piano with 's' ending on it's name (ex: german dark II s), because it's stretch tuned like real pianos..

3. tweaking the parameter

1. Piano lid position = from range 40-60
2. velocity bias to 40 (i found that the velocity switching on kronos are too linear.. this suits most to my ear)
3. damper resonance, i use +4, but if it's too intense, use +2 instead.. i think it's this parameter that actually makes SGX feels like real grand when you press the sustain pedal.
4. the IFX
By selecting kronos german grand, you'll automatically see that the output is routed to stereo parametric eq (if i recall it right).. If you prefer more bass to kick in to add fullness to it, you could activate it just the way it is..
DO NOT FORGET to add reverb to the routing.. i add reverb after the stereo parametric eq ( is it matter?? ) , if i recall right (i'm not on kronos now), i use reverb small hall with small concert hall :?: preset.

it should do it.. i'll edit my post later if i miss something.. hope you enjoy it :D
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Thank you very much!
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Choosing velocity curve is totally dependent on your playing style. Choose one who responds to your playing the way you want it to, ie the one who gives you the dynamic you hear in your head. Also you should be able to reach all velocities, not only the lowest (darkest) or highest (brightest).

A certain setting won't get you you tube sounds, it is totally dependent on your playing, and people also tend to sound and play kinda different from eachother on YT ;)

That said, I can't imagine anyone being able to be expressive with the most extreme settings.
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Lando wrote:Choosing velocity curve is totally dependent on your playing style. Choose one who responds to your playing the way you want it to, ie the one who gives you the dynamic you hear in your head. Also you should be able to reach all velocities, not only the lowest (darkest) or highest (brightest).

A certain setting won't get you you tube sounds, it is totally dependent on your playing, and people also tend to sound and play kinda different from eachother on YT ;)

That said, I can't imagine anyone being able to be expressive with the most extreme settings.
Just try it and let me know what you think :D
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Personally I have to have it set to 9 for piano playing to get as close as possible to playing acoustic. It gives me the greatest range of playing quiet to playing very loud.

Curve 3 is useless for that in my opinion.
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Ojustaboo wrote:Personally I have to have it set to 9 for piano playing to get as close as possible to playing acoustic. It gives me the greatest range of playing quiet to playing very loud.

Curve 3 is useless for that in my opinion.
well each people has it's own need.
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Post by ronnfigg »

I find that the Kronos pianos sound best when they are listened to through it set of good headphones.
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