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Hi,

I'm new to the forum, just got my Krome a few days ago and I'm currently considering a foot switch to control it. The only problem I find is that the assignable foot switch or assignable pedal is mono and supports only one control (as I read somewhere on the internet). So my question is is there a way to use something like behringer FCB1010 and assing different function to different switches and pedals on the pedal board and control the krome with them? Like one pedal could be volume, other modulation, switches program up/down and presets? Or am I limited to a single function here (switch or pedal) and I should not be investing extra money into a pedal board? Thanks in advance and great forum by the way!!!:)

Boss makes a double footswitch -- BOSS FS-6 -- that is assignable (polarity and momentary vs latched) and would do for both the sustain and the assignable foot switch. Also, it's a verry rugged pedal and with this unit you have an easy way to change out cables, so you no longer have to chuck out a pedal because the cable goes bad.

M-audio made a foot controller combination for it's "Black Box" guitar effect unit that had two momentary switches and a volume type pedal and under most circumstances would be ideal -- but it may require some modification because (at least on the model I have) the ends of the 1/4" plugs are too large to be plugged in side-by-side as required by the pedal inputs of most korg synths.


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Hi there guys!
I recently got a Korg Krome and just bought a BOSS FS-6 pedal.
I was hoping to be able to get the first switch (A) to decrease the value of programs or combis and the other switch (B) to increase the same value.
I can only get the A switch to do as I want, decreasing the value.

My problem is, is there a way to get the Food Pedal Assign to get Value Increase in some way? Or is it just possible to either have the foot switch to increase or decrease? I want to be able to do both things you know.

Thanks on beforehand!

You can only have it go up, or have it go down. This is a global assignment. To do what you want, you need a midi driven pedal like the Behringer mentioned in the original pedal. I think Billbaker mistook the question somewhat, unfortunately.

Ah, darn. Thank you for your fast reply though.

I think a pedal that can both increase and decrease is very important for this keyboard when it cuts off the sounds so clearly while changing them. With the pedal it would be easier to quickly change the sounds than to fiddle around with the touch screen at a live performance.

Hi Tomtejaeveln and SanderXpander,

Thank you guys for clearing this question as I believe Billbaker misunderstood what i was trying to say. So basically even though the Korome has a mono FootSwitch and mono Assignable pedal inputs I can use the mentioned behringer FCB1010 and assigne multiple functions to it and send them all through one of the inputs on the Krome? Here I agree with Tomtejaeveeln it is trouble some to switch sounds smoothly without a pedal and with the very noticeable and harsh cut off on the sound whne changing programs. I'll buy one hopefully next week so I'll let you guys know here how it works. If anyone gets to buy it ahead of me please let me know your experience. Thanks

Sorry, thot' you were just looking for a pedal that could do for the available inputs.

SX has it right - the only way I know of to go up and down is with a midi pedal and even then there might be come programming/re-mapping required.

The function (+/-) as it stands right now allows you to "step through" a set list in one direction. So you could set up a directional list that would go 1-2-3-4-5 (piano organ piano string piano) but not 3-2-3-4-3 (piano organ piano string piano). The direction is set up in global and only one mode is available for that input.

I use numeric entry, rather than up-down to move through my patches - experience with accounting/computer number pads helps there (no-look entry) as does having a mnemonic system for remembering patch locations. It lets me jump around easily and not have to worry about song order or set lists. And I hardly ever touch the screen unless I'm making some fine tune or balance adjustment.

A multi-midi pedal wouldn't help me much, as finger entry is way quicker than foot.

The other problem I see is that a value oriented sweep would be too hard to make fine adjustments on. Still you might be able to use something like that if you could find the CC# to latch your controller to -- that would be dependent on the programmability of the pedal, and unfortunately I have no experience with the model you cited and so cannot point you at a method for using it.

Good luck,

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Hi BillBaker thanks for the reply,

Basically what I would want is + on one switch - on another (switch programs or combis, i try to set them in order but not to waste available slots sometimes I would want to go piano - strings - piano as 1 - 2 - 1 not 1 - 2 - 3), other buttons maybe to assign toggle effect like delay (on/off with same switch) or a particular voice most frequently used, and then use the volume/wah pedal just like modulation in the joystick (gradual effect application). From what i read online the Behringer would do, but if you can recommend a similar foot switch that you tried I'm willing to consider that as well (I have not seen a first hand opinion on usage) I agree that switching with hands can be faster but then again there is that cut off of the sound on Krome, and I'm not sure I'm fast enough to enter 3 digits (or even one and hit enter) in between for example two eight notes at about 120bpm . Same would sometimes apply to effect (thus the foot modulation not joystick). Again this is for very particular situations, most of the time I can deal with joystick modulation or I can put a little rest to reprogram for next part but in certain cases there is no time

A little off topic, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to chose, say, 5-6 sounds you know you will use during a live show and only have them on the screen as 5-6 much bigger tabs instead of now when its like 16 small tabs to try to find very quickly?
A little bit like in the Kronos. http://www.tonylongmusic.co.uk/wp-conte ... screen.jpg


Sorry for the off topic. I will probably get my boss pedal back to the music store and try to find something else.

I'm interested to hear how you get your pedal to work, wojtek!

That would be nice, I have an old digital piano Casio Privia 575R or something like that, it had 4 big buttons in the middle where you would save the exact voice+split+layers+effects under one button for instant recall plus on top of that you could make 4 or 8 banks of these buttons and swap between banks very quickly, so altogether 16 or 32 easily accesible set ups - very nice. Comparing to the Krome I'm actually very suprised with the high quality of that Casio (both sound and function wise).
Going back on topic, I should be buying the pedal sometime next week so I will definitely follow up here (Probably with more questions )

Casio opted to include a "favorites" category. Personally, 4 is way too small a pool for me, and 16 if I have to do multiple button pushes between sets of 4 is awkwarrd enough to make it a "do not use" in live play.

Korg's take on that is to make it's workstations completely re-writeable.

There are no "carved-in-stone" presets, as there are on Roland and Yamaha boards.

You have the capability to rewrite as needed and customize the content and order according to your needs.

You do have an up and down button, and if you put your keyboard into "bank" view you can scroll/step thru in either direction -- one button push with a visual confirmation on the screen - pressing enter will get you the play screen but you don't have to do that to change the sound.

You'd have to check the midi implementation of the Krome to see if those buttons are midi assignable (CC#), then a midi foot control might be programmed to send those two controls (up + down) separately. As for the assignable foot switch, there's only one (single input) under global and it is not multi directional.

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There are programming tricks you can use that let the IFX EQ effectively act as an A/B switch, usually using SW1 or SW2 as a Assignable Modulator or that can likewise use the data slider as an A/B fader.

Doing that would at least give you a fast toggle between two sounds and if the slider were the control of choice, that is one that can definitely be controlled via a simple volume type pedal.

The other advantage to putting in A/B sounds in the same combi is that since they would use a common FX section there is no cut-off to a sustained sound when switching between the two tones.


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I'm not saying 4 was enough for me but per song it did, so all together I had 4 banks of sounds I would use between songs with sound in each bank to use for a song (again not something that totally fullfilld my needs but at least something)

Well the suggestion with the bank view for life is not bad at all i think I could live with that. So thanks a lot for this part

Also, what do you mean by:

"You'd have to check the midi implementation of the Krome to see if those buttons are midi assignable (CC#), then a midi foot control might be programmed to send those two controls (up + down) separately. As for the assignable foot switch, there's only one (single input) under global and it is not multi directional"

Are you saying that neither the Assignable Pedal nor the Assignable Switch ports will be able to accept multiple midi messages (CC#), only the one configured in global mode? Also would you know if such a midi controller foot switch/pedal like the Behringer one would have assignable MIDI functions to different buttons/pedals so it sends different MIDI messages, and then ultimately control the krome with different MIDI messages sent from the pedal. Thanks a lot

MIDI pedals send control signals via midi, not through the 1/4" (assignable) jacks. Those accept only a single momentary or latched switch and a potentiometer driven volume/wah type pedal, and their assignments are global which is to say that they are intended to effect every patch in the same manner, consistently.

MIDI pedal boards are assigned at the pedal board to send a continuous controller message (CC) with a variety of destinations. One CC might control SW1, while another might control the modulation, and these controls may also have ranges -- SW1 is on/off, while modulation might be 0-127.

What the various CC#'s control and how they are implemented is at the back of the manual -- that's your roadmap for setting up a MIDI foot controller to do multiple functions; +/- bank, ###=patch location, patch value +/- (that's two switches; one up and one down), pedal volume, pedal modulation, filter sweeps, etc.


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I have a Behringer FCB1010 and you can do a lot with it. I use it to:
- switches for: program up, leslie on/off, slow/fast, leslie going down, damper, portamento on/off, setting usage of pedals
- default pedal for expression, other as ribbon control.

However you can change it in a lot of other functions.
Usage of the UNO eprom is advised for extra functionality.

I'm still looking for a good price to get one, I'll see how my options turn out by the end of the week. Can't wait to get it though