Vintage Sine Lead on Kronos

JVL · Post by **JVL** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:35 am

Im a former M50 user. Seems I can't find a Vintage sine lead preset on Kronos.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:38 am

With three VA engines and a better version of the M50s own engine, it shouldn't be too hard to make one? Any special properties it should have?

laandodeman · Post by **laandodeman** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:15 am

Check again, i have a preset called precisely "vintage sine lead" on my Kronos and I can't remember that I programmed it myself.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:09 am

Open the VNL PDF. Search "sine". Should be able to find a few. Season to taste.

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:16 pm

i'm looking for the same sounds, and believe me...

NO KRONOS PROGRAM PROVIDES IT..

You'll have to create it using HD-1 engine, using sine waves from Jup 8 or moog for a very vintage sound..

If i have time, i'll share it for you tomorrow..

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:21 pm

SanderXpander wrote:With three VA engines and a better version of the M50s own engine, it shouldn't be too hard to make one? Any special properties it should have?

What's dissapointing about polysix, AL-1 and MS-20 on kronos is:

THEY HAVE NO SINE WAVEFORM

The only way is from either MOD-7 and HD-1... But i do recommend using HD-1, as from noob's point of view (i'm a noob), MOD-7 is hard to program..

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:03 pm

Triangle is pretty much the same. The Minimoog doesn't have a sine either.
Also, while they are often called sine leads, a true sine or triangle is often too dark so some pulse/square or even saw often gets mixed in with a dark filter setting.

JVL · Post by **JVL** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:18 am

1jordyzzz wrote:i'm looking for the same sounds, and believe me...

NO KRONOS PROGRAM PROVIDES IT..

You'll have to create it using HD-1 engine, using sine waves from Jup 8 or moog for a very vintage sound..

If i have time, i'll share it for you tomorrow..

Hope you can share your sine PCG here. That would be awesome.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:58 am

1jordyzzz wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:With three VA engines and a better version of the M50s own engine, it shouldn't be too hard to make one? Any special properties it should have?
What's dissapointing about polysix, AL-1 and MS-20 on kronos is:

THEY HAVE NO SINE WAVEFORM

The only way is from either MOD-7 and HD-1... But i do recommend using HD-1, as from noob's point of view (i'm a noob), MOD-7 is hard to program..

A triangle consists of only a very few frequencies. They are all sinusodial (Fouriertransformation from time to frequency domain!). You can use the filter and keyboard traking to eliminate all but the lowest. With keytracking it´s possible to do that for all keys. If you modulate the pitch with LFO you get a nice legacy(=unstable) sine wave.

There are good books out there: "How to make a noise." for example.
http://www.amazon.de/How-Make-Noise-Syn ... 772&sr=8-4

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:08 pm

Saxifraga wrote:
1jordyzzz wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:With three VA engines and a better version of the M50s own engine, it shouldn't be too hard to make one? Any special properties it should have?
What's dissapointing about polysix, AL-1 and MS-20 on kronos is:

THEY HAVE NO SINE WAVEFORM

The only way is from either MOD-7 and HD-1... But i do recommend using HD-1, as from noob's point of view (i'm a noob), MOD-7 is hard to program..
A triangle consists of only a very few frequencies. They are all sinusodial (Fouriertransformation from time to frequency domain!). You can use the filter and keyboard traking to eliminate all but the lowest. With keytracking it´s possible to do that for all keys. If you modulate the pitch with LFO you get a nice legacy(=unstable) sine wave.

There are good books out there: "How to make a noise." for example.
http://www.amazon.de/How-Make-Noise-Syn ... 772&sr=8-4

Thanks!! Will try to find ebook of it.. I'm really interested in sound design.. But i have no clue what fourier transformation is..

KevinH · Post by **KevinH** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:40 pm

1jordyzzz wrote:
Saxifraga wrote: There are good books out there: "How to make a noise." for example.
http://www.amazon.de/How-Make-Noise-Syn ... 772&sr=8-4
Thanks!! Will try to find ebook of it.. I'm really interested in sound design.. But i have no clue what fourier transformation is..

He gives away his "How to make a noise" ebook free from his website.
http://noisesculpture.com/how-to-make-a-noise

You can get kindle versions of his more specific books (FM, analog, etc) from Amazon.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:48 pm

Thanks!! Will try to find ebook of it.. I'm really interested in sound design.. But i have no clue what Fourier transformation is..

It´s a mathematical theory in physics. It describes every time signal, like a sound, that is periodic, as an infinite sum of sine or cosine functions.

Our ear transforms this signal all the time into vibrations of the basilar membrane. What we hear is a spectrum of frequencies that changes with time.

So a triangle has not many sinus functions and a square wave has many.
Also because of this a single sinus is not very loud and a square wave has much more power in it because of all the sinus waves and their amplitudes adding up.

Hope I could be helpful.