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Non X kronos users... would you? Worth it? (X users too)

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:55 pm
by mdeezy
I just recently bought the non X, 61 key version, which I love. I already know the differences between the two, so no need to illustrate the differences. Have you ever considered selling your original kronos, to buy an x model? I cant justify the reason spending an extra grand. Maybe if you're a live musician, get paid gigging, and need all your jams on the go; I can see the reason too, without going through the hassle of upgrading yourself.

Honestly, I dont think I have in it me to sell my kronos, cough up an extra thousand for the same keyboard, when I'm in a computer environment... (all x users, email me, we can trade anytime, I got some sick decal stickers on my kronos that youll love :lol:

I think I can use that extra money for some vsts, speakers, and so forth..

/RANT

Re: Non X kronos users... would you? Worth it? (X users too)

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:09 pm
by ed_f
mdeezy wrote:I just recently bought the non X, 61 key version, which I love. I already know the differences between the two, so no need to illustrate the differences. Have you ever considered selling your original kronos, to buy an x model? I cant justify the reason spending an extra grand. Maybe if you're a live musician, get paid gigging, and need all your jams on the go; I can see the reason too, without going through the hassle of upgrading yourself.

Honestly, I dont think I have in it me to sell my kronos, cough up an extra thousand for the same keyboard, when I'm in a computer environment... (all x users, email me, we can trade anytime, I got some sick decal stickers on my kronos that youll love :lol:

I think I can use that extra money for some vsts, speakers, and so forth..

/RANT
You also have the option of just upgrading your memory/drive - less money, and you don't give up your machine.

If you are tethered to your computer neither of the things in the X are as important in my opinion.

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:10 pm
by MRedZac
Well, I don´t see the point in buying a Kronos X... I upgraded my Kronos to 4 GB physical RAM (and yes, before you ask, only 3 GB are available by GUI...) and 128 GB SSD. Not even Kronos X can reach this specs by factory default...

The only point, I´m afraid of for the future, is that Korg might start to release OS-Updates only to Kronos X one day... Since the Kronos X has a slightly more powerful mainbord on board, this might be an easy thing to do for them, by locking the software down on bios level...

If you already own an original Kronos, the update to the X I think is senseless. Maybe in about 1-3 years time, there will come a successor, that will be worth again to spend some money...

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:29 pm
by Bertotti
I bought an x right off but at the time the price diff wasn't as great and I was all hyped to make sure I eliminated any possibility of problems. Sadly, that didn't matter still got a noisy unfixed fan but otherwise I love the X. Now for 1000$ diff I think I would have bought the non x and upgraded it myself. I see no reason to swap up. I do have the same concern as MRedZac but I am not sure there is enough difference in the cpu board to worry about it. Maybe a more processor savy person has that answer.

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:32 pm
by mdeezy
Thanks guys, you just eased my mind.

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:37 pm
by Sparker
My thinking was to wait till the warranty ran out and then upgrade the RAM and add a SSD if/when I need the extra storage.

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:39 pm
by mdeezy
Sparker wrote:My thinking was to wait till the warranty ran out and then upgrade the RAM and add a SSD if/when I need the extra storage.
Thats exactly what i'm thinking. Wait till the warranty runs out, and upgrade myself if I have to..

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:14 pm
by Bugra Ekuklu
I didn't have an option about buying Kronos X or non-X. 61-key models are non-X and 73-key/88-key versions are X here. I chose 73-key because it has hammer-action keybed and there will be no problem about RH3, stemming from it is X.

However now F4 crackles, although there is no actional problem. I have no problem with it practically, it doesn't bother me because I have guarantee.

Obviously, whole of this machines came from assembly line, everything can happen.

I should say, I never said it is good to have Kronos X, gratz I can sample more than I had etc. it really does not have any rational advantage if you use 9 engines perfectly. I am using only 5 mb of ram with sampling. Compared to computer it is not a good sampler, if I needed sampling, I would use Kontakt or something like that.

Buğra

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:23 pm
by MRedZac
Bugra Ekuklu wrote:Compared to computer it is not a good sampler, if I needed sampling, I would use Kontakt or something like that.

Buğra
I think, it´s not the main goal of Kronos to replace a good software sampler... It´s more about being able to use samples on stage or being able to catch sounds on the go...

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:53 pm
by Bugra Ekuklu
MRedZac wrote:
Bugra Ekuklu wrote:Compared to computer it is not a good sampler, if I needed sampling, I would use Kontakt or something like that.

Buğra
I think, it´s not the main goal of Kronos to replace a good software sampler... It´s more about being able to use samples on stage or being able to catch sounds on the go...
Completely right. But you already have enough sampling power to use at stage level. I can't understand the difference between SGX-1 piano and Alicia's Keys (quality) at live, but in studio, it may be understable.

I also totally disagree using software at stage. Their stability cannot be compared with Kronos. In studio, stability isn't a must.

Buğra

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:34 am
by Vlad_77
I am hoping to pick up another Kronos in August. I'm finding that as a gigging musician who also does a lot of studio work that two of these instruments plus either the Jupiter 80 I own or if I can find a good deal on a V-Synth GT will cover a hell of a lot of sonic ground. The Kronos I have now came with me from the United States and its two year warranty has just expired in May so I am completely comfortable doing the memory upgrade myself. If I can find a non X Kronos here in Holland - and I have seen quite a few, I will get one of those and again wait for the warranty to expire especially since the first Kronos will already be a X for all intents and purposes.

I have to say that Kronos is so powerful that except for the memory upgrade to be able to stream samples, there are virtually infinite possibilities with the instrument as is. And worse case scenario if Korg only offers updates for the Kronos X, the original Kronos is still far more than I could ever master in a lifetime. Furthermore, OASYS musicians are making great music and still discovering new territory for their instruments and there seems to be no "upgrades" in sight for OASYS and that hasn't stopped these musicians.

Laugh if you want, but, I am still amazed by the "older" keyboards I have too. The Fantom X, Kurz PC3, Motif ES, Radias, and even the venerable XV-88 provide me with stunning sounds that are musically useful on stage and in the studio.

A Kronos X isn't "better" than a Kronos at this point, but it begs the question of how to define better anyhow. Just because something is improved upon does not make you a better musician - but you already know that.

Perhaps not the best comparison, but, what the hell: how about an 88 note polyphony instrument that has "one" patch. Do you find that interesting? A good one will cost more than 3-4 Kronoses and the best of these one patch instruments would cost as much as a studio full of Kronoses. :)