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stbfotos
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HELP WITH KORG MICROARRANGER

Post by stbfotos »

I have a problem when playing Vanbasco and/or other Midi Players using KMA as a sound module.

KMA is not reading Reset Controllers on midi files using external midi player.
I've tried different Midi Players and USB to MIDI Interfaces, but still the same results.
I think the problem is with the KMA.

I hope they would look into it and update the OS.
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Post by Synthesizerplayer »

Hi,

Have you checked the midi channels on the KMA?
Try using plain midi and not trough usb

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Post by stbfotos »

Synthesizerplayer wrote:Hi,

Have you checked the midi channels on the KMA?
Try using plain midi and not trough usb

Regards
If what your suggesting is Playing a Midi File using SD Card, well I did it already, and there are + and - when using it..for the +, well I will use less gadgets as I wont be needing my Laptop anymore.

Now the - (negative) , First, it will be time consuming when selecting Midi Files, unlike in Vanbasco where you can make playlist on the fly.
Second, the Lyrics are smaller. Third, Unlike Vanbasco wherein you can play the Midi File from it's first note, the KMA alone won't, again it's Time Consuming and not good for doing Series of fast Midi Songs... And etc...

I don't know why KMA won't read a simple GM, GM2, XG, and GS Resets, even the Microstation which is a Synthesizer can do it, all the more an Arranger Keyboard but not in KMA...

buggy O.S maybe the Culprit.
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Re: HELP WITH KORG MICROARRANGER

Post by siebenhirter »

stbfotos wrote:I have a problem when playing Midi Players using KMA as a sound module.
I think KMA is well equipped with MIDI-functions and does not cause problems when used as described in its midi-implementation-chart.

Using ControlChanges it is necessary to set Midi-Filters to off in Global Mode.
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stbfotos
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Re: HELP WITH KORG MICROARRANGER

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siebenhirter wrote:
stbfotos wrote:I have a problem when playing Midi Players using KMA as a sound module.
I think KMA is well equipped with MIDI-functions and does not cause problems when used as described in its midi-implementation-chart.

Using ControlChanges it is necessary to set Midi-Filters to off in Global Mode.
For my experience it is really bugging me. Comparing it to a Real Sound Module (a Korg X5DR and a Yamaha MU80) and using the same midi files played using Vanbasco. The KMA doesn't read system resets sent by Vanbasco, only the X5DR and MU80 can read it. So what happens is if a midi file doesn't have resets in all of it's controllers (ex. Sustain & Fine Tuning), when you play another file after the first one, all of the control changes/values of the first file will be incorporated to the 2nd file and so on and so forth until a control reset will be read. So if channel 1 have sustained notes on the first midi file, it will be rendered again by the succeeding midi files.

This problems are not apparent on the other Sound Modules.
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cc#21 instead realtime-mess FF

Post by siebenhirter »

Hello,
some auxilary messages indicates if a device is capable of transmitting or receiving local Control-On/Control-Off, AllNotes-Off, Active-Sensing and also System-Reset messages.

Last kind of messages resets receivers to power-up-status. As MMA recommend it should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control but certainly not to be used for initializing SMF-songs.

Another category of messages (SystemRealTime) indicates whether a device can transmit or receive system real-time messages. SysEx-commands to send Sys-Ex-Reset-Messages at beginning of midifiles are useful if you do not want to insert ChannelVoiceMessages or ChannelModeMessages like "Reset All Controllers" as preferred to initialize SMFs for reliable songplay.

Maybe you have not problems with other soundmodules, but look inside implementation-chart of Microarranger, Pa1x, Pa500, Pa800 etc and at each of them you will find "Auxilary Messages / Reset is not received" and not necessarily required.

This is not the same as you mentioned "KMA is not reading Reset Controllers on midi files using external midi player". You will be successful if using ResetControllers (CC#121) or SysExs (GM-reset) in your SMFs, but the lack of receiving auxilary ResetMessages maybe a lack, but it is not really essential to use Pa-Keyboards as soundmodules.

PS: If your channel 1 have sustained notes on the first midi file and will be rendered again by the succeeding midi files, simple finish and begin all your SMFs with a CC#21-command.
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stbfotos
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Re: cc#21 instead realtime-mess FF

Post by stbfotos »

siebenhirter wrote:Hello,
some auxilary messages indicates if a device is capable of transmitting or receiving local Control-On/Control-Off, AllNotes-Off, Active-Sensing and also System-Reset messages.

Last kind of messages resets receivers to power-up-status. As MMA recommend it should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control but certainly not to be used for initializing SMF-songs.

Another category of messages (SystemRealTime) indicates whether a device can transmit or receive system real-time messages. SysEx-commands to send Sys-Ex-Reset-Messages at beginning of midifiles are useful if you do not want to insert ChannelVoiceMessages or ChannelModeMessages like "Reset All Controllers" as preferred to initialize SMFs for reliable songplay.

Maybe you have not problems with other soundmodules, but look inside implementation-chart of Microarranger, Pa1x, Pa500, Pa800 etc and at each of them you will find "Auxilary Messages / Reset is not received" and not necessarily required.

This is not the same as you mentioned "KMA is not reading Reset Controllers on midi files using external midi player". You will be successful if using ResetControllers (CC#121) or SysExs (GM-reset) in your SMFs, but the lack of receiving auxilary ResetMessages maybe a lack, but it is not really essential to use Pa-Keyboards as soundmodules.

PS: If your channel 1 have sustained notes on the first midi file and will be rendered again by the succeeding midi files, simple finish and begin all your SMFs with a CC#21-command.
thanks Mr. siebenhirter, I will try your advise with regards to having CC#121 before and after each midi files.. I only place it at the beginning and not in the last part.
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