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Drumtrack recording
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:33 am
by bguenthe
Yesterday I played a little with my Kronos and I discovering a nice patch. I have a evaluation copy of Cubase Elements and I want to record my playing including the drumtrack in my DAW. I thought this is a very easy task, but after ours of experimenting and searching the net I have no idea how to do this.
What I did is the following:
1.) Connect the Kronos with my PC and configure Cubase to recognize the Kronos. This works well, I can record sounds on channel one.
2.) In cubase I created two midi tracks. One for midi channel one (my keyboard playing) and one for midi channel 10 (for the drum track)
3.) In the Kronos global settings under drum track midi setup I enabled Prog Midi Out with the default chanel 10.
4) I switched to my nice patch and started the drum track. In cubase everything (the drum track and the keyboard playing) goes to my configured channel one (for my keyboard playing). I expect the drumdrack in my cubase configured channel 10.
What I'm missing here?
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:43 am
by SanderXpander
Usually you have to enable something for multiple midi track recording. Did you at least arm both tracks?
EDIT: alternatively, I'm pretty sure your notes are still containing the correct channel information, and Cubase should have a split or demix my channel command or something.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:01 pm
by pedro5
You have several choices here…..
Recording "as is" onto one track in cubase can be done (midi channel set to "all" or "any") and then "dissolve" the recorded cubase track,which will (should..) split it to separate respective tracks.
The Kronos will transmit on any chosen channel as set in the global page,maybe this needs checking...??
By setting the transmit channel to 1 the drums "should" remain on channel 10……as per settings you've already done for the midi drum part ….and the key sound will play via channel 1.
Keep the two tracks set up in cubase to have corresponding midi channels,(making sure they are 1 and 10) and arm both,of course etc.
Alternatively,you can try using the Kronos in sequencer or combie mode,which could provide better midi channel selections especially when you want to add further tracks.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:35 pm
by QuiRobinez
dissolve track is a good solution to split the recorded notes to seperate channels. Another possibility is to arm Record on midi track 1 and 10 and put a midi filter on the track inserts where you define that on midi track 1 you only accept Midi channel 1 notes and on midi track 10 you only accept midi channel 10 notes. I don't know if your cubase version can do this, but the full version can do this for certain.
But dissolve midi part will work also, as Pedro explained earlier.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:04 pm
by pedro5
Forgive the sideline chat….(bguenthe).....
Qui....
Good to have your valued input yet again…our good friend.
While you're here, I think it would be very helpful if you could post the links to your excellent tutorials as well….please.
Interesting point you make regarding filters for individual midi channels…..but I can't find it in cubase elements.
However, there is a midi filter option in cubase elements,but I think they seem to be applied to all selected channel numbers, globally.
(I could be wrong though,as I haven't tried them out).
bguenthe...
As a point of interest……
Page 89 of the manual says….
"If you set the track to MIDI channel“Any”,each MIDI event on the track will be sent out on the channel stored in the event itself.
In other words, the MIDI material will be played back on the channels used by the MIDI input device (the MIDI instrument you play during recording)."
Have a go with some of the suggestions....let us know the results.
Best Wishes.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:49 pm
by bguenthe
Success

Dissolving in Cubase was the solution. But I had to disable "midi thru" in cubase and to enable "local control on" on the Kronos.
Thank you all
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:46 pm
by pedro5
Good news.....!!
Thanks for the update....now you can play/record some music.
Best Wishes.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:04 pm
by Niarf
I did have an issue that I've mentionned to Korg : two tracks in the DAW, one on channel 1 and one to ch10 to record both tracks at once. The DT does not send any midi data : to correct this, I must go in Global Midi, uncheck and recheck Prog Midi Out and it works.
Hope this helps =)
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:45 am
by bguenthe
Niarf wrote:I did have an issue that I've mentionned to Korg : two tracks in the DAW, one on channel 1 and one to ch10 to record both tracks at once. The DT does not send any midi data : to correct this, I must go in Global Midi, uncheck and recheck Prog Midi Out and it works.
Hope this helps =)
That is what I want to achieve. Record my playing on channel 1 and the drum track on a separate track (set to channel 10). For me it is not working. All midi goes to the active track in cubase elements 7. And only if I disable midi thru and enable local on. The good news is that I can split the track in cubase into separate channels. What DAW to you use?
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:48 am
by SanderXpander
This is a setting in Cubase. Likely the input of the track is set to midi omni. Instead, you'll want to set it to Kronos channel 1, and another one to Kronos channel 10.
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:35 am
by pedro5
I've just tried the cubase elements midi recording settings with an old keyboard that I have(my Kronos is being repaired at the moment,so I can't test things in that way…) and found that recording a drum track plus another one at the same time will merge both together,either onto one track or both.
I hadn't realised this,until now,as previous methods involved recording most tracks separately, I rarely recorded drum plus lead/melody stuff together etc.
One answer is to use the "dissolve" method,as previously mentioned,which does work,but will place all the drum parts on separate tracks which can be a little cumbersome at this stage.
(useful at other times,though).
However,the Kronos + cubase elements can record drum or any other voices onto separate tracks when in combie or sequencer mode.
Sequencer mode seems to have a better correlation with an external daw,but both do work.
There are some basic settings to do,of course but it should provide a solution.
Be aware that when using cubase elements and the Kronos combie/sequencer mode to ensure none of the cubase tracks are "armed' while making any changes in the Kronos,as it may produce strange effects,especially if midi through is being used.(Probably because sysex or other midi messages are active….??).
Otherwise,it does work just fine.
Good Luck.